Matthew 18:15-17 (King James Version)

Matthew 18:15-17 (the King James separates wheat from chaff)...Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Proverbs 6:16-19 (King James Version)

Proverbs 6:16-19 (the King James talks straight-talk)...These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 31:10-28 (King James Version)

Proverbs 31:10-28 (the King James woman works a job)...Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life. She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands. She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar. She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens. She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard. She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms. She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night. She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff. She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy. She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet. She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple. Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come. She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness. She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness. Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

5/12/2025

Capstone (n): the high point; the crowning achievement...

Hello both,

The crowning achievement of this blog is being part of the great collective work started on FactNet - Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 1:50 am. Providing tens-of-thousands of hours of reflection, growth & entertainment. Since Pastor Davis died in 2014, my perceived duty to inform died. 

Especially when we get a davis-lite poseur playing dress up with her Dad's suits. The footnote pinned to the hind-end of NTCC's history. The capstone. Presiding over the failure of our Cult. Though we didn't believe him, 'cause MCK surely will make it happen, Reverend Olson was right yet again..."Brethren, the Organization [was] Pastor Davis."

1/22/2025

TL;DR Part 3: (originally posted 10/16/2012) #armchair...


look at me
under our suds
'tis the FILTH
of GRAHAM


look at me
RESPECT me
PRAISE me
OBEY me
SERVE me

YESTERDAY 
TODAY
 & 
FOREVER

(this doesn't work, do it again • pirouette, about face, forward march  • wash, rinse, repeat)

I doubt he'll ever learn "a kazoo can't play first fiddle" & why Graham is failed.
I like "a kazoo can't first fiddle" better, but it reads hard-to-understand for me.
Maybe I should stick with tradition? "Like putting lipstick on a pig." & "You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear." Much better.

Coat-tails last longer than laurels. His laurels are high mileage & his coat-tails have markedly frayed since 2014.

1/21/2025

TL;DR Part 2: (originally posted 10/16/2012) #armchair

 

Senior-Pew-Sitter M.C. Kekel
"I consider anyone who has left NTCC an enemy" Tune in to NTCC-TV, to watch his tele-churched variety-show "I have lots of great things to talk with you about! I have three jobs, including CEO of the Organization, President of the Bible Seminary and Senior Pastor of the local church in Graham, WA." Did you detect Reverend Kekel is still NTCC's senior sympathy-sucker after 42 years? Why's he not weaned? Did marriage stop this? He runs Graham? Graham runs him. This's the same Dean/Professor Michael Craig Kekel who malaprops quit means quit & not conduct/behave in the 2011 message "Quit you like men". 

1/20/2025

The SINNER-NET & introduces NTCC-TV (originally posted 8/19/2010,)…

Preparing Youth
with Truth
in Holy Spirit Power


This post is moot since internet use isn't a sin anymore. But, a trip down memory lane is always fun. Plus most posts, like this one, have great comments.

Non-NTCC Sites:

• Tracy's Blog is gone again as of June 2010…

• NTCC's Wikipedia article is finally gone, as of March 2010 (back up 22 June 2010 after support documents were submitted to & approved by Wikipedia)…

ntccXposed is finally gone, as of July 2010.

1/19/2025

Excerpts from Senior Pastor Kekel (originally posted 2/5/2011)...

We are WINNING!
Hello all,

Directly below (the four bullet points) is an excerpt from a message on Pastor Kekel's blog, titled "Fight or Flight"...

1/18/2025

SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT (the delete, rinse, repeat of Holy Spirit Power) originally posted 5/15/2010 #nepotism...

Apply today
Get in line
Good News from Rev. Kekel's Blog (words of mck/God in red): Mar 3, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

A Rumor that's not...

There’s one making the rounds that my son is playing organized sports. Please allow me to set the record straight; that is not a rumor it is

1/17/2025

TL;DR Part 1: Senior Pastor Kekel's been administratively called for over 28 years (42 to date). A stay-getter, he has no “been there, done that” testimony (originally posted 10/16/2012) #armchair...

the wistful thoughts 
of a desperate man

(click to donate)
IN A DREAM: Senior Pastor Kekel seems like a big fish because he's the fixture in Graham. Davis married-off Tanya to him & Tanya is Verna's adopted daughter. This's his claim to fame. A Davis creation; much like Denis, except Denis was always in the field & RWD didn't have another daughter we know of. 

Comparatively, MC Kekel is an also-ran/a never-ran go-getter, excepting the daughter accoutrement. He bucked Pastor Davis' policies & chases the world, what can he offer? He's unfit for service.

This brief satire (now in 3 parts) is an authoritarian history of once-wunderkind Dean/Professor/tmtl Michael Craig Kekel. Who malaprops quit means quit & not conduct/behave, for one example. This's memorialized in his 2011 message "Quit you like men".  

1/16/2025

The_WHIRLWIND in Holy Spirit Power (originally posted 10/2/2010) #gossip...

Get out the way!
I's on a mission
from God!
(FACTNet 2004)
The_WHIRLWIND (69.29.212.77)

Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 6:22 pm:

JOB 38:1-3 “Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said; Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man: for I will demand of thee and answer thou me.”

HOLD YOUR FIRE EVERYONE!

1/15/2025

It's Christmas. Take the gift of better life to the NEW Year (originally posted 12/25/2012)...

One of the best things 
for you and yours 






Please note, the message below is coming from the man who has been “assigned” to Graham for over 28 (42 now) years; pursuing his "administrative" calling.

Sorry about all the red ink (again, my commentary). But, as is usual, Senior Pastor Kekel's reasons/reasonings engender more questions than answers; clouds not clarifies, tattles not trumpets, prattles not proclaims.

1/14/2025

"Fellowship Meetings weren't of God" or more policy from "this go-getter has three jobs" (originally posted 11/21/2012)...

Are we there yet?
Hello all,

Senior Pastor Kekel wrote..."The primary reason for this [Fellowship Meeting cancellation], was to ease the financial burden on the churches and pastors, and stop the monthly disruption of their schedules." This quote shows Senior Pastor Kekel is unaware Fellowship Meetings were never a monthly requirement. Like I wrote, he has no oversight of the churches outside of Graham, and much of his own writings proove this. Those in the work of the Lord in the field never had Fellowship Meeting the month before, of, and after a Conference (this was policy). Therefore, there were only 6 per year (1 or 2 hosted). And sometimes less if there were mandatory Minister's Seminars to go to. I guess today they'd be called workshops.

Gregory writes...Thanks for your never-been-there-done-that second-hand insight. Based only on your logic: Why does our Cult still have Conference?

1/13/2025

Senior Pastor Kekel went to a French-kissin' dog-show w/RWD's Daughter, RWD's Grandson, Lesbians & his Bluegrass Confession (originally posted 10/11/2010) #parenting...

Eeeek! & Ears!
Anonymous wrote (in a comment over on Don and Ange's Blog)..."you missed part of that article about the dog show; where the lesbians were kissing the dogs, french style? Don might like to comment on that kind of thing, homosexuality that is. And what is the age difference between Greg and Debbie?"

1/12/2025

NTCC's what it seems (a duck) originally posted 11/10/2012 #stopbullies...

...all that matters is
 money & numbers
(click to donate)
First Anonymous makes it appear (on Jeff's Blog) they went there by accident (“…when someone stumbles onto this page like I did…”).

Then Anonymous went there on purpose to verify something (“…the reason I came on here is because I saw something on facebook and came to check if it was real.”)

And now Anonymous won’t be back.

1/11/2025

God v. Graham? The great WAKE-UP. They win & you pay (originally posted 4/23/2013) #paytoplay...

New Jesus is winning
"New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc., also called New Testament Christian Church is one of the most wonderful churches available today. Among this church it is well known that we don’t consider ourselves to be the “only ones saved”, and we also know that, more and more, in churches of today, the world and the saints are without distinction. Churches as godly as this one are certainly rare nowadays, but weren’t so rare 50 years ago." - The_WHIRLWIND (FactNet 2004)

I saw this picture on the internet, and immediately thought of all the cosmetic changes going on in our Cult.

Along with the The_WHIRLWIND, we also want to know what happened to who/what NTCC was founded upon over 40 years ago?

1/10/2025

Won't Get Fooled Again: NTCC's anti-family (originally posted 5/27/11)...

Follow us to Church
Read all about it here and here (just more subtle about it now, along with using someone else's words, to add credibility and support for another NTCC 'policy').

1/09/2025

1,000 = 40,000? Senior Pastor? Kekel? Something fishy this way comes (originally posted 10/3/2012) #mlansky...


Same Ol' Same Ol'
Hello All,

Preparation for this article

Calculate how much you put in the basket & how much you spend at the Fellowship Hall for one conference, Now add what you spend for billeting on the campground. Multiply by 1000. This is a close estimate of income received from one conference & only wrong proportionate to the number of folks you choose for each billeting category (room, bay, town).

I got $180 for me ($80 offerings, $20 food, $80 for 1/2 room), for $180,000 income from 1,000 attendees. Or 222 people if you divided my $180 into Kekel's $40,000. Another key piece of information to apply throughout this screed as relevant is 1,000 ≠ 40,000 'cause Rev. Kekel gaslights 1,000 = 40,000 below. Though you've been eXposed, take it away Senior Pastor Kekel (rimshot), ...

1/08/2025

WORKING WOMEN – Senior Pastor Kekel says “…it’s against the Bible.” Jeffrey C. Gross, Jr. and Tanya Kekel disagree (originally posted 10/11/2012)...


STAY IN THE HOUSE!
BE IN SUBJECTION!
DON'T TEACH!



Rev. Jordan published this in 1994… [$10 @ the Campground Store] Then in my dream I saw Faith and Charity continue down the Highway of Holiness, rejoicing about their victories over the enemy. They met a lady called Mrs. Career-Woman who knew faith. She began to tell her how foolish it was to throw away all her training and the future.

1/07/2025

♩♪♫♬ They're pressing on their errant way ♩♪♫♫ They're sowing discord every day ♫♬♩♪ They're thriving where these all abound ♩♪♫♩♪ They're worldly Ain'ts no higher ground (no soup for you) ♩♪♫♩♪♫♬♩♪♫♫♬♩♪ (originally posted 9/28/2012)...

Is Broken
Jeff (regarding your last post),

Thanks, I understand your tack better now.

The only reason I don't agree with your method is because Bro. Bellamy wasn't backing down from what he wrote, while still reconciling with Bro. Brill. And I didn’t feel he needed help, and we could always quiz them later, after they said what they had to say (plus, sometimes if you let people talk, they will tell you more than they would have otherwise). And maybe what follows will help you understand my tack a little better also:

1/06/2025

EXTRA! EXTRA! Read All About Us! (originally posted 10/27/2012) #ididnotgothere…

"We consider anyone who's left NTCC...
 an enemy, so visit our church this Sunday." 
(click to donate)

Senior Pastor Kekel calls him “Ramtha Man [but, don’t call him Kekel or Mike, et cetera; as he takes offense at anything less than the utmost respect/deference shown to him, he just doesn't reciprocate]”. The rest of us know him as Bruce.

Below are links to all his articles that are relevant to this piece (followed by my foolish and unlearned commentary):

1/05/2025

Our Cult's online! Good News! (facts stranger than fiction) originally posted 4/30/2010 #integrity...

Investigative reporting 
by Ramtha Man
To anyone interested,

Bruce Smith is an online print reporter, who wrote a 5-part series on NTCC. 

Here's the link to a follow up article he did in 2011 (consolidates the other 5 he wrote at a different Newspaper, which were deleted).

In investigating for this series, he was interested in both sides (pro and con). He said I could post his contact information here (or anywhere else). Anonymity was guaranteed if requested. 

1/04/2025

Tithe? Sure, but what's tithe? (originally posted 6/19/2011)...

Easy to understand, easy to apply
INTRODUCTION

Let’s say (for this article) tithing is still in effect because there are no specific prohibitions against it in the New Testament (along with stoning rebellious sons, et al). But, when there are no New Testament guidelines on how tithe is to be executed by Christians, we must refer to the Old Testament only, to find how this is to be accomplished (the same way we do for the meaning/definition/understanding of alter, sacrifice, wilderness, redemption, priest, faith, et al).

Let’s ignore all the arguments for and against mandatory tithe, and all acknowledge a few things…tithe in the Old Testament was food & was used only to feed the priesthood (their only inheritance), supply the fixin’s for love feasts, offerings & sacrifices, and to feed the poor (charity).

So, what does real tithe look like…without, you know, ignoring anything contained in the Bible, or the fact the Ministry is a business; or relying on secular history, secular custom, and/or any other source outside the Bible?

1/03/2025

A Doctrine from God, or commandment from men? (you decide) originally posted 8/18/2010...

Easy to understand, easy to apply
INTRODUCTION

NTCC is a mandatory tithe 501(c)(3). It is required by NTCC that every preacher say before taking the offering, "All Christians pay tithe, and give offerings" (in amongst anything else they might say during offering time), and many times what is said by the preacher regarding tithe and offerings is quite voluminous. Many times this will bleed over into the rest of the service, sometimes continuing as the topic of discussion during fellowship after the service has ended.

Their official policy is if you don't pay tithe, you're not a Christian. It doesn't much matter what else you may be doing right. Conversely, if you pay tithe, you will be called brother, and it doesn't much matter what else you may be doing wrong.

1/02/2025

Jesus, the Apostles, New Testament tithe & Christians (no, they're not kidding) originally posted 9/11/2011...

Easy to understand, easy to apply
INTRODUCTION:

So what has been accomplished thus far? Well, other than ignoring almost all scripture (by necessity, and in deference to NTCC’s most used/useful/profitable doctrinal method) which should support (if it existed) the mandatory Christian tithe teachers position, not much since few are commenting (but, many are reading, the “hit counter” is way up).

Have I yet disproved the doctrine of “Mandatory Christian Tithe?” If not, why not? Or, am I just wrong because NTCC's business model needs me to be wrong?

1/01/2025

Abram's tithe (Abraham didn't tithe), Moses' tithe & Christians (no, they're not kidding) originally posted 7/4/2011...

Easy to understand, easy to apply
INTRODUCTION:

Matthew 5:18 “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”

Why is the Old Testament important/necessary to a Christian? One reason is it defines for us terms used in the New Testament, without consulting any outside secular source. Stated differently, it allows God to define His own terms. Sacrifice, alter, fornication, redemption, Passover, Tabernacle/Temple, Priest, High Priest, Pentecost, feast, sodomy, et cetera are all defined/delineated in the Old Testament.

So, we (can) derive Biblical principles from the Old Testament for practical Christian living without again coming under the purview of the Old Testament/Covenant. These ‘principles’ are what marked (elevated) the teachings of the apostles (above the Scribes and Pharisees), who quoted extensively (along with Paul) from the Law of Moses to teach Christian doctrines in the New Testament. The Apostles showed how the Old pointed to the New (and Christ). They illuminated the Old Testament types, in a way unrevealed before Christ’s earthly ministry. The Apostles teachings, God’s intent, and even what the Law says about itself, does not keep mankind in bondage to the Law, but set men free to enter fully into God’s grace.

11/01/2012

Believe what I say, not what you see (originally posted 11/1/2012)...

Ex'rs are Gaslit!
Anonymous wrote as a comment here..."The rooms at camp are not overpriced. 40 a night is not overpriced. Your such a liar.”

Senior Pastor Kekel wrote here..."The blessing is that it enables us to have a place to host the Conferences and keep rooms affordable for those who wish to stay on the Camp."

Thanks for your input Anonymous. Since this is all you got out of the article you may be in a Cult.

2/10/2011

The Updo (originally posted 2/10/11)...

Same as cutting
I have been thinking about the following for years (even before NTCC stopped renewing my Ordained Minister's License in 2009).
 
Question: Since Paul talks about a woman’s hair being a covering, a glory to a women, and an example, why is it alright to style with an up-do/french roll, bun, etc, when this prevents a woman's long hair from being a covering—effectively mimicking short hair?

2/03/2011

1st time visitor w. w. says NTCC “seems like a cult” (originally posted 2/3/2011)…

All Christians pay tithe 
and give offerings
I was invited to visit a church by a long time acquaintance. She said she has been going there for 2 years and she really likes it. I went Sunday (1/30/11). The preacher was blasting rich people and all their possessions. I started looking through my bible for the scripture, "But we know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, for our sakes he became poor that we might be rich, that through his poverty we might be rich."

1/30/2011

Old FACTNet is gone (originally posted 1/30/2011)...

Hallelujah!
Hello all,

More Good News Online...On 29 January 2011, the witness that was "old FACTNet" was deleted from the world wide web. I already archived all the NTCC stuff, so maybe someday it will make a reappearance (sounds like good content for a full-blown website). The "new FACTNet" is still with us, but is consistently inactive.

1/14/2011

Some elegant paragraph by Burt (originally posted 1/14/2011)...

They've got your back
Our crime was that we trusted them, we believed them, and on top of all that we loved them. All the while, we only ask after having left ntcc that ntcc comes clean about the abusive and neglectful social practices and behaviors that they have secretely under the radar gotten away with. No paper trail, no video trail, and no trail of evidence save for the astounding number of people who witness and experienced first hand the abusive rules they (ntcc) decry as never happening or are un-willing to acknowledge in the face of all these witnesses.

10/19/2010

PROMISES & LIES for PIONEERS & MISSIONARIES (originally posted 10/19/2010)...

For the work of the Lord.
TRANSCRIPT:

February 5, 1997

Letter of Dispatch
Letter of Support

Re: G.T. Shunk
508-1 Sang Yon Dong
P.O. Box 19
Tongduchun
Republic Of Korea

To Whom concerned,

This is to certify that Rev. G.T. Shunk is an ordained minister in good standing with the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. This is to further certify that Rev. G.T. Shunk has been granted an appointment to Korea that he may serve as a Pastor and spiritual director of U.S. servicemen.

9/10/2010

It's always Conference time again & point proved (originally posted 9/10/2010 )...

Say Amen Somebody...
Somebody say AMEN!

NTCC of America, Inc.'s
Conference Schedule:
Since Spring Conference 2004 to Spring Conference 2014, 55% of Conferences have been held at the Campground, and haven't been mandatory since the 'Fall' of 2006. Oops, the cult-of-flip-flops now has one mandatory Conference per year. When the truth effects their "bottom line," and/or causes too much hemorrhaging, and the routine inevitable panic grips them, Conference shifts to Graham (or Phoenix), or goes regional, and becomes mandatory again. Local church visits, from NTCC's leadership, are also used to put out the frequent fires.

8/17/2010

NEPHEW or GRANDCHILD: The answer's obvious (originally posted 8/17/2010)...

It seems pleasing to God
Regarding the word translated ‘nephew’ in 1 Timothy 5:4 (KJV)…

Word: ekgonon

Pronounce: ek'-gon-on
Strong’s Number: G1549
Orig: neuter of a derivative of a compound of 1537 and 1096; a descendant, i.e. (specially) grandchild.
Use: Adjective

They didn’t teach us the above in Bible College regarding 1 Timothy 5:4 (we were taught something else on the evening of 24 April 1996). I studied it out for myself later, as we were all taught (continue study on your own after graduation) in Bible College.

4/25/2010

Ode to "SHUNK" -- by Rev. Kekel (originally posted 4/25/2010)...

Married 18+ Years, and Counting
Hello all,

An article on Rev. Kekel's Blog was pointed out to us by a concerned citizen. This one is called "Shunk".

3/16/2010

Origin lore; a repository (originally posted 3/16/2010)...

1948

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana (1905)


Enter an origin story in the comments or post a link to one to save typing. I know there's a lot of histories on the blogs. We will add any links or text to the below repository for a one stop shop. Thanks.

3/15/2010

She's lying, no cult's this bad (originally posted 4/6/2011)...

Deja vu all over again
Hello all,

Deborah wanted me to post this comment on her blog, that she posted on Jeff's Blog. So here it is:

3/05/2010

SAINT LOUIS '78: God's GRAND PLAN goes awry (originally posted 3/5/2010)...

BECAUSE I LOVE 
YOU!
In August and September of 1978, I had been talking to my eldest sister Esther about coming to Bible School. My sister Esther, her former husband Manuel, and my brother Andrew had visited Becky in the summer of 1975, at NTCC’s Bible College in St. Louis, MO. They had told Becky that they were interested in coming to school (Midwestern Bible Institute at the time).

2/26/2010

Please be patient = ) originally posted 2/26/2010...

Hello everybody,

I'm winning
I am sorry I haven't posted anything in a while. Please have patience with me. My Mom and I are in the process of moving books and furniture, beds etc. around the house (Gregory is just back from Afghanistan again and is at Fort Campbell in-processing). My brother is coming and we really don't have anyone to help us get the house ready, so he and his wife have a place to stay. So it's been mostly me trying to get things in order. As many of you know I also work full time, and am fully involved in my Mom's church. Hopefully this weekend I can type out more of my story.

Life is good!

Deborah

2/15/2010

The BLOW UP at a Myrtle Beach Conference (originally posted 6/8/2011)...

Unless you're Family
Someone asked on Jeff’s Blog: “Deborah, did you ever know Carl Sensabaugh? Was he some kind of ‘adopted’ son of RWD. I know that you were previously married to Rev Blumenthal and it is weird having heard about people that RWD makes it sound like he cared for them like they were his own children and would have moved them up in leadership if they hadn't left NTCC.”

Well, Darwin Durek could provide you with more detail about Carl Sensabaugh’s job in the church, and more about him, than I could. From what I heard he was a very charismatic person, as was/is Rick.

2/02/2010

A Christian vasectomy testimonial (originally posted 2/2/2010)...

No good reason
Wahiawa, Hawaii - 1982

RW came to Hawaii for a visit, bringing along a couple other people. Right now I can't remember who accompanied him, but they were on their way to the Philippines. It was during this visit that RW broached the subject of Ministers getting a vasectomy. I believe there were a couple of ministers who recently had this procedure done. RW was teasing one of them about what had happened. While RW was talking, I heard my name mentioned and these words, "Well Deb doesn't want any kids". I later approached Rick and asked him why I was mentioned? When Rick told me about the conversation, and he mentioned "vasectomy" I didn't know what the word meant. Then he explained what the procedure was.

1/23/2010

Sordid Beginnings: Bad root, bad fruit (originally posted 1/23/2010)...

Lies & Crickets
Where to begin? The other day my Mom and I were talking about how we came in contact with the people from NTCC. I mentioned some things to her about something that took place in '73 or '74, while my sister was in Bible School. My Mom began telling me about some men which came from St Louis, Missouri to Pueblo, Colorado (our then church’s headquarters...First Spanish Church of God in Christ). These men were friends with Bob Patterson (Penny Hampton Duran's father). Also, the school (Mid-Western Bible Institute) dean at the time was a man named Ruben Herrera. Ruben had family that attended the church in Pueblo, Co.