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Bro. Brill isn't the enemy to ex'rs, even though he's resigned as a minister (with FAMILY BOND in tact, it's a miracle), but should/does want to maintain a relationship with his in-laws (Olson).
This requires a great amount of delicacy on the Brill's part. Like petting a squirrel, a cult leader's always skittish. Jones, Denis, Applewhite & Davis are run-o'-the-mill examples. If Rev. Kekel involves himself as he did in Panama then fuhgeddaboudit, THE FAMILY BOND IS BROKEN (as good as). It's policy.
We're all one witness, whether you've already quit or are pending. No cult member is an enemy of ex'rs. Cult life made us silly & wanting. Mike's administrative ministrations keeps this plate spinning. Plus now, he showcases his symptoms on NTCC-TV weekly. A natural. Part au-naturale-suds-kids-of-the-Pacific-Northwest & part investor w/a side of TV-Church. 2027 won't arrive soon enough for some folks.
We also had this same desire; to maintain our FAMILY BOND with Becky & John. We were on good terms with them until Senior Pastor Kekel's one-off visit to Panama (the only time any overseer has ever visited Panama…yes, ever, to date) a mere month after we left Korea in 2007.
Becky knew we had left & why & was immediately supportive cuz she also knew where the bodies were buried in Kekel & Company's closet. Company, because a few specific-sins are in-common among them. Things they all like in the same closet.
Plus, she'd seen John (et al) suffer the same abuses over the decades. She's even a witness to the unchaperoned classroom shenanigans, then coupling of Tanya (14) with Mike (24) in 1981 & 1983.
The old-school era, when little-girls were women & the sisters glanced askance & covered their scowl with a kerchief, hymnal or Bible (back when they were still allowed). Most of the brothers didn't like it either. Now absent is a fond-nostalgia among the victims, witnesses & their confidants. Which's now everyone with an internet connection.
Some folks won't make a stand no matter how lip-servicey they are on the phone & emails. Once supportive of us, Kekel broke fixed our relationship with Becky, so she now hates ex'rs? Just like Mike. Her whirlwind coarse correction. So easily? You really can't rape the willing.
From reading emails Mike showed them? But, she'd already read most/all of them. We'd forwarded them to her, in real time, months before we left Korea in August '07 & until Mike's visit, cuz she wanted to know what's going on. A lot of the same stuff was done to Rick & John, so we figured it would be of interest to the Rodrigues'. It was. She wanted proof. Leverage may someday be useful to protect oneself. But only if oneself has it.
Because Brother Espinoza had died, some started thinking about the future when they saw how destitute NTCC's ministry left his wife. I'm sure the realization they would have to protect themselves, that there was no shelter in the org, was a crusher. Our safe harbor was built with straw upon sand, while we paid for marble & stone.
This's why I also started asking Pastor Davis (never Mike, why would I, he wasn't in my chain of command, ever) about 1 Timothy 5:8 a little more insistently. Many can attest, we weren't the only ones asking questions. 'twas FactNet started the question-ball a-rollin' & why Gra'am started churnin' out the written explanations, extra conferences, revivals, visits, blogging & stopped fellowship meetings without Graham leadership present as a final nail. Yet, the truth will out, thanks to Berners-Lee. Plus, peoples memory of things doesn't disappear with whitewash. Especially when jogged reading blogs.
Sorry, what? You're told something different? This's called gaslighting & we already have an article on it, along with every other blog. So, not some new thing. Neither is synergy. Ignorance isn't excused. Continuing, some of us had been around long enough to be able to figure things out while still in good standing. Many arriving at the same conclusion (FactNet).
I'd asked about it periodically since becoming a pastor, but this time I was forcing a definitive 1 Timothy 5:8 response, not allowing them to shine-me-on, as they routinely did with all of us.
They, et al were interested in the outcome cuz people had the same concerns. Cuz of the Espinoza situation a bleak future became present/right-now to folks. I like Milton's better, more soaring, soul stirring, less boring.
Maybe note, while Senior Pastor Kekel was sowing strife* among Becky, John and us in 2007, we were all still in the field pastoring. Lobbing stones from his assigned pew-sitting in Graham, or flying to another workshop. We were even both credentialed for 2008, the year after, since they renewed us.
Our credentials also said we're assigned to Rupert, Idaho. Everything administratively in order. There's no pleasing some folks. *A synonym of discord, like rule is one synonym of policy. But quit means quit & postpartum & postmortem are interchangeable. According to his latest mike-isms.
I haven't watched his TV show, so I don't know if he also misspeaks online. I'm more a print guy anyway, so my examples are from his in-print language-abuse only. Wink wink, nudge, cough. Harrumph.
The official timeline is we left Korea for Graham 8/2007. Mike visited Panama 9/2007. Deb resigned as a minister by registered-letter dated 12/2008. Very administrative. They stopped renewing my license in 2009. Very not administrative, so maybe vindictive? Whatever the motive, the decision was made based on 1-side from a 2-face tribe guy. I'm insouciant with whatever.
Jeff helped me set this blog up during 1/2010, while Deb posted articles dated 1/23/2010, 2/14/2010, 2/26/2010 & 3/5/2010, and was done. Or maybe had one more to go.
Senior Pastor Kekel posted his praise of Me on 4/20/2010. I acknowledged it as another desperate & inconsequential ploy on 4/25/2010. It's figuratively impossible avoiding gross considerations when discussing our cult. So hear ye, hear ye, hear ye this:
As we've all observed, hebephiles (14 & younger) & ephebophiles (16 & up to 19-years-old, so even 19 is still an adolescent, a child) are the most deluded & easily offended of all the sex-crime-genre's.
They think it's different, better, when they're involved with a 14 to 16-year-old child & not a consenting 10-year-old or animal (beastility - rwd).
Accusations of sex-crime is perceived as an unfair-judgement (especially in a cult) since its a 14/16-year-old child & not younger. Their context is, it's alright because:
• "She has breasts" (this's about it, but let's add more just cuz)...
• "We're in love" (okay boomer)...
• "I also help her with homework" (since I'm her day-school teacher*)...
• "She's mature for her age (I'm immature for mine)"...
• "It's Dad approved" (Mom does too†),
• et cetera.
Bonus creepiness if the pervert is in a *position of trust &/or has †parental approval.
Continuing, like his Panama visit, the timing seemed fishy. Instead of pioneering works, Kekel's administrative-calling sows strife in other's work? Odd this, but is often the case with do-nothings who've too much time on their hands.
They MARRIED THE BOSS'S DAUGHER, but lack the motivation to gainfully use this to God's advantage. Why try when you've married into guaranteed success & can only blow smoke. Now, you also get a trophy.
The I MARRIED THE BOSS'S DAUGHTER trophy. Cuz he romanced a child? This first requires grooming. How long was Rev. Kekel's process? Did it really only start in 1981? No effort required once you get past the revulsion. Plus, he can still playact being self-made. Who'll call him on it? Maybe use puppets from children's church for a one-man-show, or other workshops.
So, we post whatever we want, with no regard for original intent or Mike's routine online seethe against all, on God's behalf & in his service.
NOTE: This blog was closed to new posts on Davis' "Happy RIP Day", since his founders-reign had been terminated.
I would probably still be with NTCC, but they stopped renewing my license in 2009. NTCC still hasn’t given a reason why they didn't renew my license for 2009. I sent in the required fees on time, my tithe was current & I planned to continue renewing my license. I sent them frequent snail-mail (and less frequent email) requests, asking what they wanted me to do?
Could I please have permission to pioneer yet another church? Be someone’s helper (hadn't done this before)? Pastor yet another failing established church, which became growing-churches by the time we were reassigned?
Olson even dangled a teaching position at the Seminary. Something I had shared in years past as wanting to eventually do. Though over-qualified, I wasn't tempted now. I'd seen for myself behind the curtain. Plus, as HQ knew, I was already an accredited adjunct professor in Korea.
I wasn't interested in teaching at the Seminary anymore since an unrepentant, protected & unprosecuted Mike creates a toxic environment as seen on NTCC-TV. So, why haven't you quit yet?
I rightly considered this a ruse & not a legitimate offer. To lure me to Graham so they could isolate & massage facts & lies in their favor & to bypass my questions. So, I declined. Plus, my proofs are written, so can't be gaslit or dropped. They can always control their half of a narrative, but not me anymore. Huzzah.
I submitted formal charges concerning Mike's publicly-documented ministerial-misbehavior, in triplicate, et cetera, to Headquarters in full accordance with Article 13 of the Bylaws. These charges regarded Rev. Kekel's repeat violations of Article 12 of the Bylaws.
Nothing came of this either. I also kept re-asking my same 2 foolish and unlearned questions, sending in my tithe & re-re-offering to appear before the Board in Graham for charges-against-Mike & any whatnots; until I reenlisted 9 months later.
At this point I stopped requesting guidance & sending tithe to HQ Graham, but never dropped my charges. Charges still valid & still pending, with many fresh perpetrations to date.
Most all my emails remain unanswered, and many of my posts were returned unopened, even the ones my tithe were in. I always sent these letters registered mail, so I know they were receiving them, since they signed for them. I was being administrative (not even my gift), they weren't.
Sometimes letters were sent back opened & not resealed? But, they're children. Luckily my returned tithe checks didn't fall out. Very administratively irresponsible. Not what I'd expect from the administrative called-by-God by-God-you-betcha prankster.
After 9 months of this, and receiving no answers, I was confident I had gone above and beyond what any reasonable person would expect, and went back into the Military in 2008. I'm still in to this day, and will be eligible for retirement in 7 years.
UPDATE: Retired 2021, after 24 years of honorable service.
The way we handled all this administrative drama Senior Pastor Kekel generated was done in the best way possible. In that, we kept available for anything NTCC would have wanted us to do, while spending every intervening day with Deb’s parents.
The way we handled all this administrative drama Senior Pastor Kekel generated was done in the best way possible. In that, we kept available for anything NTCC would have wanted us to do, while spending every intervening day with Deb’s parents.
Then I went to a recruiter and joined the active duty military, and will now get the military retirement we will need.
I had no hope of old age income with the Cult. Other than Social Security (started receiving in 2023), and working (reading, gardening & crafts now post-exit) till the day I die.
Thanks to quitting, I've comfortably retired on savings from my secular job & military retirement in 2021. My Social Security entitlement is now fun-money & I may have to crack open a 401(k) eventually. Not anytime soon, since I have no bills above utilities, gasoline & food.
Just by finally leaving the cult less than 4 years ago, we have God, FAMILY BOND, friends, 3 new vehicles (1989, 2010, 2012), new furniture, savings, health insurance, retirement, and a huge life insurance policy (and everything is paid in full).
We're in the process of buying our first home (VA loan @ 2.75%) & we were able to buy Deb’s Mom a fully loaded 2012 RAV4. Also, Deb has a career she likes, which makes a real positive difference in people’s life, and will make her eligible (you have to work at least 10-years to collect) for Social Security pretty soon, so she will be able to collect when she's of age.
Deb also gets to spend as much time as she wants with her Mom, Brother, Sisters (except Becky, thanks Mike), and her extended FAMILY BOND.
FYI, we have also started looking into adopting a child or 2. This will undo the last thing the Cult took/damaged in both our lives.
FYI, we have also started looking into adopting a child or 2. This will undo the last thing the Cult took/damaged in both our lives.
UPDATE: No-go adopting. Too expensive (about $10,000). Why do folks have to buy children when they're assuming the cost of raising them from the state? Like something cults do.
As for Deb, she was sick of their nonsense. 32 years for her, 17 for me. Deb was leaving no matter what I did. NTCC even interfered with me getting licensed by AG during this time. They had a church for me to Pastor in the town we lived in. This's also the church we're attending. Their Pastor wanted to retire, but needed a replacement.
We understand the importance of warning others, but FAMILY BOND is more important to us post-exit. We'd trade all the information on our Blog for our relationship with John and Becky to be what it was before Senior Pastor Kekel’s strife sowing visit to Panama (first & last one) & his subsequent online harassment of us. Soto voce - no harassment, just throwing a dog a bone.
On a plus side, had Senior Pastor Kekel not orchestrated these events, Deb and I would not have been allowed to spend time getting to know her father & mother. What a tragedy this would've been. He died in 2009, 18 months after we landed in Idaho. They'd been estranged for over 30 years since the 1970's, because of NTCC's no FAMILY BOND policy.
To date, we don't contact people still in the Cult. Other than Becky, to see how they fared during the recent earthquake in the Philippines & I recently sent Senior Pastor Davis a notification email about Lillian Stevens working again.
As for Deb, she was sick of their nonsense. 32 years for her, 17 for me. Deb was leaving no matter what I did. NTCC even interfered with me getting licensed by AG during this time. They had a church for me to Pastor in the town we lived in. This's also the church we're attending. Their Pastor wanted to retire, but needed a replacement.
We understand the importance of warning others, but FAMILY BOND is more important to us post-exit. We'd trade all the information on our Blog for our relationship with John and Becky to be what it was before Senior Pastor Kekel’s strife sowing visit to Panama (first & last one) & his subsequent online harassment of us. Soto voce - no harassment, just throwing a dog a bone.
On a plus side, had Senior Pastor Kekel not orchestrated these events, Deb and I would not have been allowed to spend time getting to know her father & mother. What a tragedy this would've been. He died in 2009, 18 months after we landed in Idaho. They'd been estranged for over 30 years since the 1970's, because of NTCC's no FAMILY BOND policy.
To date, we don't contact people still in the Cult. Other than Becky, to see how they fared during the recent earthquake in the Philippines & I recently sent Senior Pastor Davis a notification email about Lillian Stevens working again.
I have no NTCC’rs as Facebook friends, because none have ever sent me a friend request (other than Pastor Freeman in Wyoming). We do blog though, because thanks to Senior Pastor Kekel, we have nothing more to lose. Plus, warning others is a Christian’s duty (it’s why Mike does it, right?).
Senior Pastor Kekel did so much irreparable damage to our relationship with Becky and John that not even their Father’s 2009 funeral was able to bring us together, and the division remains to this day.
Senior Pastor Kekel did so much irreparable damage to our relationship with Becky and John that not even their Father’s 2009 funeral was able to bring us together, and the division remains to this day.
Senior Pastor Kekel had absolutely no involvement with the questions I had, or any Church we ever Pioneered or Pastored. Why would he? He's a Graham office worker & runs the Print Shop.
But, he inserted himself into the relationship we had with our FAMILY BOND? He wasn’t even anyone's Pastor & Senior Pastor Davis was our Pastor.
He pursued his own administrative agenda in Panama & with his Shunk article. The paper-tiger rushing to God's rescue. A whirlwind in a clown car. He's spiritually administrative. About his admin-spirit's business. Managing what others do as his service to God. Statement real estate, mcmansions, supercars & other luxury.
He pursued his own administrative agenda in Panama & with his Shunk article. The paper-tiger rushing to God's rescue. A whirlwind in a clown car. He's spiritually administrative. About his admin-spirit's business. Managing what others do as his service to God. Statement real estate, mcmansions, supercars & other luxury.
His conduct is he's above administrative accountability for his actions. And the Cult’s actions (or inaction) proves they don't hold him, or themselves, personally accountable for anything, or to anyone. See Bylaws Articles 12 & 13. Why have Bylaws if you won't follow them?
HINT: It's a federal requirement for non-profit churches. Along with having a board of more than RW Davis. Along with a youth camp, sunday school & print shop requirement. So now you know why NTCC has these & why they're mickey mouse eye-wash. Not God's leading (as we're told), just government approval. Like Constantine's Catholic church.
Senior Pastor Kekel's conduct in all this (and may other things) is not something I would expect from someone with an administrative calling, since most of this is administrative. Maybe cuz the Holy Ghost's been left out.
Senior Pastor Kekel's conduct in all this (and may other things) is not something I would expect from someone with an administrative calling, since most of this is administrative. Maybe cuz the Holy Ghost's been left out.
In His service,
Gregory
20 comments:
If they want this stuff to be taken down, NTCC is going to have to make some apologies. Not only on the internet, but on the phone.
I am sure they want all the internet stuff taken down, and would prefer things were like they were before 2004, when they flew under the radar for decades unmolested.
But they will not change, and they will not make amends, so it will continue to be business as usual for the Blogs.
And business is booming.
Gregory
The only family Kekel care about is his own.
True Dat.
They prove this time and time again. They don't hold themselves to the same rules that the rest of us are required to follow.
Gregory
Ministers and wives how can you be a hypocrite and sit there, knowing full well you don't agree with the Leadership? You see how they’ve strayed from the gospel only to fulfill and attain wealth and power. How many times have you repented in your heart, constantly thinking it must be you? Others have witnessed the same situations. The ungodly character of the Leadership toward ministers, wives and church members. Where is your integrity to stand up and do what's right? I got tired of thinking it was me that was wrong. It was not me, even when I spoke to my husband about things; he'd tell me I was wrong. He never spoke against the Leadership, in fact he would rebuke anyone who talked bad about them. I’ve seen Greg rebuke my sister, J. MacDonald, D. Stevens, and R. Denis. I don’t know if there are any others, he was not afraid to speak up for a person. There are many who talk amongst themselves about the Leadership. I know, because I've heard them speak. I was guilty of that myself it's something I'm not proud of, I grew weary of constantly trying to make excuses for these people. It's a never ending cycle with these people. After 32yrs enough is enough. The one who gets hurt in the end is the minister, they're too proud to admit wrong.
Shake the dust off your feet and go on your merry way!
Deborah
Well put Baby.
As you know, and as I posted in this article..."Just by finally leaving the cult less than 4 years ago, we have God, family, friends, 3 new vehicles (1989, 2010, 2012), new furniture, savings, health insurance, retirement, and a huge life insurance policy (and everything is paid for). We are in the middle of buying our first home, and we were able to buy Deb’s Mom a fully loaded 2012 RAV4. Also, Deb has a career that she likes, and that makes a real positive difference in people’s life, and that will make her eligible for Social Security pretty soon, and she will be able to collect when she gets that age. Deb also gets to spend as much time as she wants with her Mom, Brother, Sisters (except Becky), and her extended Family."
Our life is good,
Gregory
Man, I'm so glad to hear that Greg. Now that is a good testimony. Of course you know, my family is doing good as well. I'm really happy that you and Deb are prospering. Those of us who have left the NTCC are all doing so well. Don and Ange, Vic and the last I knew, Casey Hayes was also doing well and so were his kids. We talked about 2 months ago.
I know one guy who left the NTCC about two years ago who made E-7 and then got a commission and he is currently a Lieutenant on active duty. He was here with us in Columbus and then in was in MO at Ft. Leonard Wood. He left the NTCC because the NTCC leadership ran off his pastor and then tried to dog out the church members after the Pastor left. I think the pastors name was Granger or something like that. The last I heard, Granger is doing great also. Another guy that was with us at the NTCC church here in Columbus made E-7, got selected for E-8, and then became a Warrent Officer and he is doing great living in a 5000+ square foot 3 story all above ground house that's almost mansion. I'll be going to his house this Thursday to watch football.
Another guy that was in the NTCC church with us here in Columbus has a great job, his wife is a manager over a chain of well known supermarkets in the area and they are closing on a brand new house around the middle of October and they have a young boy together who is about 4 years old now. Their oldest two kids both joined the Air Force and are also doing well and he also has a brand new Tundra that I got him a great deal on because I used to work at the Toyota Dealership and I'm real tight with the General Sales Manager.
Come on man, Come on. These are bad stories? All of us used to be in the NTCC and we all left and we are all prospering and doing great? Houses, new cars, etc, etc, etc? COME ON!!!!! COME ON!!!! Cursed??? REALLY??? The difference between all of us and the NTCC leadership is we actually work for what we own and (unlike them) we aren't using people to get it.
So what is the moral of the story? Leave the NTCC and get on with the life that God intended for you. Oh also, the guy who is a Commissioned Officer? He wants to be a pastor!!! Just not with the NTCC. The guy who is closing on a brand new house in October? He is heavily involved with his church in somewhat of an official capacity to my understanding. I know he is really involved. So you are not just talking about a whole bunch of heathens here. I may be a heathen but I'm not menace to society like the NTCC leadership. I'm not taking advantage of folks for their money like Davis, Kekel and Olson. The NTCC just keeps people down unless you are one of their family members or close confidants and that didn't help Danny Brill.
Chief
Chief said: COME ON, COME ON! LOL. That was funny. That guy is fired up. LOL. Chief, you need to take some downers or something man. Just chill. I think you are funny. COME ON, COME ON!!!!! LOL.
Thanks. I think you are funny also. I'll drink some NyQuil. That will help me chill out. COME ON!!!! I had to get that one out. I'm mellow now.
Thanks for the good reports Chief, Like you I don't know of anyone who's life hasn't improved post exit, and most are doing exceptionally well like yourself and the ones you talked about above.
Cheers,
Gregory
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I'll be going to his house this Thursday to watch football.
Chief! Watching football on a Thursday night? That's a church night! You heathen!
I'll pray through after the game. The Lord understands. Oh wait.
Kekel said...
"Further, since I wasn't a bible school student during that time, I was not UNDER those rules. The sports rule was not bible based to begin with, and was for bible school students. Not me."
Chief said...
So I'm good because that rule is not for me either. I'm not a bible school student. Yippie. I'd rather live at the bottom of a dumpster than be a bible school brainwashie in Graham Washington. I'd have to put up with less dung.
Kekel's response was the spin tactic, half truth, tap dance insult my intelligence response. Mike Kekel is the ultimate spin doctor and so is Kinson and that's the second most important reason that those two are both at Graham raking in the dough. Of course the first reason is who their daddy's are and anyone who thinks otherwise is really blind. Kinson and Kekel, along with RWD the two biggest tap dancing, half truth, spin doctor conn artists that I've ever met in my life; bar none.
The NTCC will spin it and claim that we all have prosperity because we've been bought by the devil so I have a valid, legitimate question? Which way would God approve or which way would be pleasing to God to make a living while residing on this earth. Please think about it before hastily drawing a conclusion.
First way: Get extremely rich as a direct result of others giving money to the "church". Often times those riches come at the expense of people who can't even hardly pay their bill or keep food on their families table.
Second way: Put in real days work, get paid, and accumulate wealth and or financial stability as a direct result of your own labors.
I use the second way. Does that mean I've been bought by the devil because I have a job?
I'd say the guy who's been bought by the devil is the guy who gains wealth and riches at the expense of everyone else. Show me one example of that happening in the book of Acts or any of Paul's epistles? Check the general epistles? How about Revelation?
Like I said in an earlier post. Stop giving all your money to a bunch of greedy church leaders and start paying yourself, and you can be like all the people I spoke of who are doing quite well for themselves. The NTCCs way for accumulating wealth is not the Bible way. Show me one place in the New Testament where a church leader or pastor got stinking rotten rich off of all his congregants? Show me one example of that happening and I'll eat crow.
Chief,
Talking about money...
I don't believe in tithe anymore, but I still tithe.
Here's how. The money I used to send to the Cult, I now use for my Mother-in-Law who is the Pastor of a Church (she also owns the building). Her Son does the Pastoral duties now.
When we first got back to Idaho this year we fixed their church van (about $1,800), and we just bought Mom a fully loaded 2012 RAV4.
In the past we have done maintenance on her home, and the church (at our expense). We have invested about $25,000 dollars in Deb's parents (the work of the Lord) over the past 4 years. And we are reaping daily returns.
The $25,000 doesn't include her new fully loaded 2012 RAV4 (no interest, no money down financing...and heated leather seats).
She is also going to live with us when we get settled in our new home.
This is a much more Godly use of our hard earned money than sending it to Graham.
Graham is the only Cult Church that is not self-supporting. This is ironic, since all the other Cult Church (about 70) are required to be, or will be shut down.
We are glad we are able to do it now. And I am sure God is much more pleased since I am no longer an Infidel.
All because we left the Cult.
Gregory
Greg,
Now you know all that money could be going to the Kekel family. You need to get right with GAWD and pray through. Don't you know there are extra expenses that need to be taken care of at Grant's "great whore" I mean Catholic college? Think of all the gas his car must use and you know he must wear some pretty nice clothing. Tanya expects nothing but the best for her boy, so Greg, you need to start paying your fair share as unto the Lord.
Haven't you read the scriptures Greg? Thou must givest a tenth of all thine gross income, so the Grandson of the high priest canst attend the finest "great whore" I mean Catholic college? This must be done so he canst have fine clothing, and cars nice electronics to watch the most grand of sporting events so thy fellow servants the Kekels canst live in peace and contentment.
You are letting the Lord down Greg. You know God wants a percentage of your money to go to the Kekels as they had no choice but to move out of their $550,000 house because the Lord directed them to purchaseth a $750,000 house so Kekel could bring glory and honor unto Lawd. When people witness with their eyes and see the grand temple that the Lawd gavest unto thy fellow servants the Kekels, all will fall on their faces and worship the Lawd for his goodness that he has bestowed upon thy fellow servants the Kekels.
Greg, you need to repent right now!!! Muzzle not the Oz that threadeth on the church members, the senior priest is worth of his $750,000 house that must be paid for by the flock!! You need to get saved Greg.
Chief,
Funny, sad, and true.
Instead of..."I don't believe in tithe anymore, but I still tithe."
I should have written..."I know now that tithe isn't Biblical, but I still tithe."
I need to remember that for future posts.
Gregory
I meant to write... Worthy.
Greg, you need to repent right now!!! Muzzle not the Oz that threadeth on the church members, the senior priest is worthy of his $750,000 house that must be paid for by the flock!! You need to get saved Greg.
Graham is the only Cult Church that is not self-supporting. This is ironic, since all the other Cult Church (about 70) are required to be, or will be shut down.
What a crock! The Leadership requires of others, what they themselves cannot do in Graham. It's the little people out in the field, they should be admiring. Yet, they have disdain for them by calling them names. Excuse me, but who's putting food on your table and paying your mortgage!
I have never heard Pastors in other Organizations call their ministers/ church members names. Nor, have I heard them rebuke a pastor in front of their church members. Insulting a minister who's doing all he can to pastor a church, giving all he has to keep the doors open. Then when someone comes to visit all they can do is find fault. That's not leadership.
Deborah
I understand how you feel Deborah. I can feel the passion in your statement. Kekel is bad about that kind of stuff. We talked on the phone about 3 - 4 years back and Kekel didn't have a lot good to say about NTCC pastors. With Kekel, that was just the pot calling the kettle black. That is just the NTCC way.
Preachers get so accustomed to finding and figuring out everyone's faults, that it becomes a common everyday practice. They all think they are better and holier than everyone else to include each other and they become nothing but judgmental and Kekel is as bad as they get. I mean he is a real big mouth jerk. The real deal hypocrite. I can't stand the guy and I make no apologies for that.
I've said this so many times. I hate this whole house cleaning thing the Kekel's have going on. That is leadership at it's worst and a complete misuse and abuse of personnel. The Kekels USE and take advantage of people and it's just that simple. You'll be blessed if you clean my house my butt. It amazes me how easily people can be manipulated and chances are if we are on this blog, we've all fell in the same category. It's called wrongfully taking advantage of people. Davis is as good as they get at doing exactly that. I can't stand Davis or Kekel.
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