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Our crime was that we trusted them, we believed them, and on top of all that we loved them. All the while, we only ask after having left ntcc that ntcc comes clean about the abusive and neglectful social practices and behaviors that they have secretly under the radar gotten away with. No paper trail, no video trail, and no trail of evidence save for the astounding number of people who witness and experienced first hand the abusive rules they (ntcc) decry as never happening or are un-willing to acknowledge in the face of all these witnesses.
A . D. Burt says:
June 8, 2014 at 9:02 am [Mountain News]
It makes me weep to think about all the things people had to post on here because of the painful, hurtful and appalling emotional trauma that so many said they suffered in their personal experience while attending NTCC. It is abundantly clear to me that the majority of the people posting here, and on other blogs, posted because of fact that they wanted to write of their personal expertness of pain and abuse and not as an attempt to attack “the work of God”. Most only desired to express and alleviate the inner pain of having trusted a group of people who said they came in the name of the Lord but hid the truth of other overall intent or at least it turned out that way in the eyes of many. And while it may, for some, have been great to learn the Bible, study church history and learn of the Christian faith, it seems clear that the majority of former NTCC members seem to express that they didn’t desire to learn these things by negotiating a trade of their life’s livelihood, children’s emotions, family development and finances (for or) in exchange for a willingness to endure emotional abuse and neglect. I marvel today that there are those who will even acknowledge on face value that within NTCC has occurred some or all of these alleged abuses, yet they in turn will berate those who risk saying anything about it here or on any other venue as being an act of revenge. I don’t believe all desire revenge or that all wish to be bitter or retain resentment towards their abusers or accusers, I believe they wish to forgive them while holding accountable them to the standard of truth that NTCC alleges it upholds. I believe that many will be healed from their painful experiences, and unfortunately some will not because the emotional wounds and scars are too deep and have destroyed the souls of more then a few. There are some who may desire revenge, and I pray that they Chose Christ above such, although, one could understand how they came to that place of such a desire (right or not). Forgive them, I do, and I think others do also; I also know that for those that have left NTCC that NTCC will never be given another chance to allegedly do aging to former NTCC member of what they allege that NTCC did to former NTCC members. I also think it is disingenuous to deny former NTCC members the right to express or tell others of their experiences they alleged to have experienced at NTCC. What is alleged to have happened is that people lost their friends, family, finances, years of their lives, social standing, economic ability to have in some instances basic living resources, and some even lost their freedom and are incarcerated: Some are alleged to have committed suicide, others were shot with a firearm by law enforcement and some have had their faith forever shipwrecked and have literally turned to idol and devil worship. It is no small thing for some to just “Move-On” as if it is something that is done or accomplished in an instance without serious emotional complications. “Moving-On” is a process that must be accompanied through time, patience, healing and social and emotional support. Being harsh and heavy-handed will not resolve these matters for some if not many. I pray for the people currently attending NTCC and who have formally left NTCC that the Grace of God continue in their lives and that the Lord Jesus Christ makes a way to bring healing, hope, restoration and encouragement to all who need it, that is all who need it within and without the presence of NTCC. I recently read a Facebook post of a certain individual who expressed on the internet his desire that “this bunch would dry up and go away”. It made stop and wonder, if it took the Grace of God to reuse him, where Jesus, even in the case of Judas did not want Judas to die and go to hell, or where Jesus forgave Peter for denying Him thee times, Jesus had compassion on their sins and his, how is it that he as a minister called of God could not express that same for those who he has written-off as of no value to him. I do not seek an answer to this as I already have it, it is simply that it seems to have hypocrisy interlined within such an expression where all it would take is for the same people who drove others off to drive him off as well, I am sure he would have a change in perspective. May God help those who need healing and help.
9 comments:
That says it all! Was this a comment on one of the Dispatch articles?
Agreed, and yes.
Is it wrong to require ministers to attend Conferences?
Is it "life control" to require this, as some say? What about morning formations in the military? Staff meetings on your job? Union meetings? Would you muster yourself to attend an activist event on Pennsylvania Avenue in protest of injustice? Would you clamour to attend an event in support of your favorite cause? Would you attend the huddles if you were on a football team, if they weren't mandatory?
Is it too much to ask God-called, Holy Ghost-filled ministers of God whose whole life is dedicated to the cause of Christ to the point that they seek full time ministry, to attend an annual event? Why must one view an event, so integrated with their life's goals, as an unbearable burden imposed upon them? Why would it HAVE to be mandatory? Especially knowing the critical healing process that occurs during a conference, and that God never fails to restore our vision, purpose, resolve and zeal. If someone says they don't get a tremendous spiritual boost from one of them, he must have been that statue in the back (sometimes in the front) during service. You know, the "non-clap, no laugh-I refuse to sing" types. In their heart they're already gone.
Maybe some have integrated too many other things into their lives, or maybe their cause has changed. Pastor has required Conferences at times, but it has never worked beyond giving someone that little extra "push of themselves" to get there, which they never regret. By the way, that makes the requirement worthwhile. Those who don't WANT to be there, still won't come. To further demonstrate their lack of a sense of accountability, they don't even have the courtesy to offer an excuse as to why, or let someone know they won't be there. They have all kinds of money to go everywhere else though, or to buy new toys, whatever they want, but not for the horrible, horrible fellowship of the saints.
Morning formation, staff meetings, union meetings, football huddles are all paid events. Companies, and organizations of this type understand the value of their employees and therefore pay them.
Not NTCC!!! NO!!!! They contradict the Bible, when Paul says "Should a man go to war at his own charge?" If conference is mandatory; Let NTCC pay the bill if they want you there so bad!
Don't feel guilt tripped into buying something you want so bad Kackel does, Davis the "devil" does! You earned it, why not have it? Why pay a couple thousand dollars to travel all the way to Missouri to listen to them, it's the same old rhetoric from last year. Save your time, and money, or better yet, take a trip to Cabo, or Hawaii where you can have a REAL vacation.
Sincerely; David Hickman
Anonymous said, quoting MCK,
"Is it too much to ask God-called, Holy Ghost-filled ministers of God whose whole life is dedicated to the cause of Christ to the point that they seek full time ministry, to attend an annual event?"
Don and Ange said,
Is it to much to ask RWD called, MCK brainwashed Cult members with phony credentials, whose whole life is dedicated to the cause of brainwashing others and worshiping ntcc leaders to the point where they neglect their families and disown their relatives to attend an annual Cult rally?
I'd say....
MCK wrote...
Especially knowing the critical healing process that occurs during a conference, and that God never fails to restore our vision, purpose, resolve and zeal.
Jeff wrote...
That is a bunch of bologna. You manipulators manage to regularly restore the NTCC's crooked agenda, intense brainwashing, and zeal to bleed the unsuspecting of yet more money than they've given already. It's also a chance to raise another 100K or so in pledge money. Conference ain't about God.
It's about the NTCC keeping their people in check that they've worked so hard to brainwash.
Conference quotes,
"If you have a problem with one of my pastors you have a problem with me and if you have a problem with me you have a problem with GOD" RWD
"Don't call Graham if you are broke and you aren't having a full schedule of services. Go to the people if you need more money. The problem is you are too scared to ask your people for money" RWD
"The blitzkrieg soul winning approach is like going to battle. Your goal should be that you knock on at least 100 doors" MCK
"I never missed GAWD"
RWD
"I can't remember the last time I sinned" RWD
"Everything I do is by the Holy Ghost"
RWD
Jeff said...
Rdub must have forgotten the part" "except all the things that my son in law and Kinson are getting ready to change"
Conference is a time of further brainwashing that is necessary or else their whole church would evaporate and they know it. Conference is about control.
Jeff
Burt, and an elegant paragraph do not go together. He was always an incompetent bungler.
Anonymous,
NTCC always portrayed Burt as such, but I have never been inspired to classify any paragraph of Rev. Kekel’s (the wunderkind) as elegant. Eyewash, yes…evasive, yes…non-committal, yes…damage control, yes…political, yes…damaging, yes...lies, yes. Burt’s may not be a perfect paragraph, but the perfection of his shared experience, abuse, and conviction come through clearly, and in a most elegant way.
Gregory
Hi Sis. Shunk,
I have to agree with you on the mind control and breaking down of individuals to support the cause of NTCC. I left them in 1988 from The Fort Bragg Christians Serviceman's home, when I went to Alaska. I stuck around until then because I couldn't bear seeing more and more people being destroyed by the preaching and rudeness of Medrano. I'm thankful that you found peace and comfort somewhere else and still with God. My prayers are with you and continue to be. Please pray for me as I have thyroid cancer. My name is David Dyal. Thanks in advance.
Trying to find someone to talk to about former NTCC stuff. Ryan Karpinsky is my name, would love to find some brothers that got out. Any suggestions?
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