Matthew 18:15-17 (King James Version)

Matthew 18:15-17 (the King James SEPARATES wheat from chaff)...Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Proverbs 6:16-19 (King James Version)

Proverbs 6:16-19 (the King James talks STRAIGHT-TALK)...These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 31:10-28 (King James Version)

Proverbs 31:10-28 (the King James woman WORKS a job)...Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life. She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands. She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar. She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens. She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard. She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms. She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night. She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff. She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy. She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet. She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple. Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come. She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness. She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness. Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

April 25, 2010

A cautionary tale, Luke 12 & NTCC-TV (originally posted 4/25/2010)...

 Click the Skunks
Hello all,

A recent article on Rev. Kekel's Blog was pointed out to us by a concerned citizen. This one's titled Shunk.  
 
The black text is the original post. In keeping with synergy, NTCC's contact information's being forwarded to Phoenix AZ's online news sources.
  
No honorific for me? No Mister, Sir, Reverend, Doctor, Brother, etc? But, I always address him by his required titles. Reciprocation? Pity. More hypocrisy. You'll also note Kekel's clairvoyance when preaching. He tells us, he knows things. Not a very big whoopty-do if meant as a threat. We have proof of things. Video proof now. This link is the overview NTCC wants you to know. Shorts, like previews, are the choice bits, the hooks, to whet your appetite. Their self curated best foot forward. Thanks NTCC-TV. Thanks Mike. 
 
FUN FACT: Science reveals recidivism rates are, at the least, 82%. 
 
I learned specifics about his preferred romance preference in 2025. But obviously, the important thing is Mike's finally the pastor now. So, I watched an entire service of Michael ministering on NTCC-TV in 2026 & you'll read the result in this article. I'm not the only one who needed to move on. Mike's still stay-getting in Graham? Over 40 years now? Still Denigrating minister's go-getting? Still yelling at folks to worship harder? Ministers who're not romancing children? 
    Something snapped. Maybe my back from the burden of new-knowledge? Knowing is power, but policy requires you ignore it. Synergy always takes from those being synergized. No exceptions. They take your power. Dollars are the only value in place in Graham. Backward engineering, cult income is the result of a synergy. The dollars gotten from you are a synergy between the corporation & you. When combined Graham gets more cash.
    Quit & you won't have to ignore no more. He's a child-romancer after all. But reformed right? He's reformed, right? RIGHT? Is he an 82%'r or an 18? Well, no matter. Some pant after respect, but part of being respected is not kissing girls. I never addressed most of this Mike-post before. Cuz, it's Mike & he doesn't need any help running folks off. NTCC-TV & Kekel are the best eXer resources available. But, it seems pleasing to God (JHO) to now provide clarification, correction, context & today's the day in Holy Spirit Power. 

Here is the link:

michaelckekel.blogspot.com (Pastor Kekel deleted this article 12 September 2010)

Here is the link to the archived copy.

Here are highlights from what Rev. Kekel writes in his inciteful article:

• 'Debbie' put away her first husband...[False.]
• 'Debbie' blames Pastor for being partial to his Grandson and causing her divorce...[False. No blame, Davis is partial. Normally people are. Davis & company just won't admit it. If Davis allowed saints to be partial, to put their own ministry & family first, he couldn't get as much cash; so they gaslight the double-standard. Plus, she's never shared the reason for her divorce from RC on the blogs, or placed blame. I won't either, it's not my place. Davis, Pop & I knew, of course. 
    So, Mike (a pastor) says Deb says Davis is partial to Grant. What a mouthful. Gossiping must be NKJV, I don't know which verse. The gossip on the blogs is the last step (verse 17) after all other reconciliation fails, i.e. we are telling it to the church, but he's long-been a heathen man & publican - KJV. Whatever gossip Mike hears transmogrifies to what Mike knows & preaches about. He has no choice. His mind is brimming with the gossip he shares on NTCC-TV, or he couldn't share it. A stay-getter, who sifts through second hand stories & old memories not-his to bolster his second hand life. The left-overs from Davis' quitting in 2014 (as seen on NTCC-TV). The fact even any part of this blog is true is outrageous about a christian, but he's also a pastor bonus. A position of trust. A sentencing guideline.
    When Mike's around people who don't know his history, he's a rock star. So, he built another campus to walk/drive its grounds like Davis once did in Graham for the ego boost. To have something to focus on so shouting WE ARE WINNING! isn't as obvious a lie to themselves. Real estate is Graham's watch-the-birdie. Their misdirection. Graham has to first lie to themselves to lie to you. Us rabble shouted WE ARE WINNING! thinking about souls & the kingdom while the leadership thinks about the buildings they're shouting this in. They're worshiping the same outwardly, but it not the same. You think souls, they think bank, while everyone shouts & dances about.
    So, why does he have to seethe vicariously at others go-getting? He doesn't have enough enough yet? Mike inherited the empty buildings he drives around & walks through. Now, Mike's building his own. Most of the folks who know old-Mike, quit during the FACTNet wars of the aughts. The 1st (Pastors) & 2nd (Helpers) string preachers, the ones who built NTCC. The few OG's who did stay are running on E cuz Michael's pastor now, so the rest of new-NTCC's low on fuel also. God says feed my lambs, while Mike calculates how much he'll get per pound. Just like Davis. Cash tithe, back tithe, round up, pay up, shut up, or get out. Quit.
    But, who thought Mike would be crowned? Most thought it would be Olson. Why didn't the OG's leave then? The Ashmore's did. Any others? Staying for Verna? She's gone too. Olson? Then what? Who's left over after The Great Quitting is what's filling most of NTCC's pulpits, with belts tightened another notch, more building, no charity & other predicted outcomes (like folks are still quitting). A reflection of new-Graham. So, why's he still ashamed, jealous, proud, pouty, handicapped, stunted? 
    He got what he strove for (the child, the cash, the heir, the corporation). Mike's getting out what he's put in all these decades, so why's he mad? Where's the surprise? GIGO's been a thing since 1957. If he won't help, why hinder? Will the arm-chair-no-getter ever go forth? Why blame Davis, the blogs, or Olson? Who to blame next seems his biggest concern when he's on TV? Will it be Tanya? Grant? Johnson? Stay tuned to find out. Self-justification requires blaming others. Mike's running out of folks to finger & preach to at, while the finger still points to him. Mike's even divided his kingdom to Arizona. What a maroon.
    He preaches he's an orator & scholar. He preaches he's a policy maverick & prayer warrior. The answer man & self-made. A one-man-show (in an original bottle). He preaches he's an administrator & business man. He preaches about his vacations, hobbies & investments. He preaches to address critics & sow his own criticisms. Mike never mentions Grant (for the usual reasons). Mike preaches pastor respects him & he has special insight to interpret & ignore Davis' rules. 
    Denis used to teach this same way; he had the mind of Davis & understood Davis heart. Kekel preaches you should jump & higher & pray louder (like Denis). No sitting when Mike decides it's time to praise & worship (like Denis). What he doesn't preach often is Christ (unlike Denis). But, he's a go-getter when he's on TV. So? Well, he's on TV so he's a go-getter. Still silly. He's mimicked Davis & other go-getters for decades, but never copied the go forth part. Soaking it in, collecting oughts about others; waiting for his chance. In the 15th century he'd have used poison. Et tu, brute? 
    Now he comes bearing excess, innuendo & excuses. Mike preaches a synergy of God & NTCC. Sharing his latest third-fourth-fifth hand do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do, gossip & discord. Sharing what he's been faking in Graham all these decades on Davis' knee. Another synergy. Mike routinely talks a service to death & you must listen & slow-die with him & his latest strategy. He's the pastor now, but be ye warmed & filled is the only sop ever offered. The ministry-ish-type-thingy Mike churns on TV for just this side-hustle is his same Graham behavior to a wider audience. But, Mike's froth never uplifts anyone & tickled Davis' ear.
    Mike seethes to enforce his ministry, to enforce his synergy. TV shows it's working as intended i.e. not at all. His criticism cuts some, picks at others & he's the pastor; a position of authority, which's also a guideline in sentencing. Blogs are the stenographers in the court of public opinion. Blogging is effortless cuz it's just a record. But, like evangelism & nepotism; criticisms easy money with disproportional rewards, the high card when played by a nepo-hire. A joker, dealt from the bottom, a bottom bumper with no change imminent. His burden of worldliness prevents his rising. The cares of this world & riches fill his pockets. If it wasn't for his bloated lifestyle he'd never break the surface. Mike's manner of living is vomitous as God defines. The wrench in God's cogs, wresting God's children, molesting God's word, wrecking God's program, wrangling pleasure, hording treasure, sowing discord, avoiding convention (religion's the perfect hiding place in plain sight) & coveting innocents also defines NTCC's synergy. An invasive species also describes synergy. An invasion against a care for people.
    Anyway, when he arrives, he's the bosses son-in-law. Now out from under the skirt, he'll remind you when he isn't treated extra special at your work, like Pastor Davis was. That's right, no cross, no Christ, no Spirit, no power; just oughts on TV. If you have suck-ups in your congregation assign them to Mike for the duration. He has to keep proving he's a go-getter since posing requires constant reposing. Yes, a good reputation needs no maintenance, but he married the boss's daughter instead. So, you have to pretend to listen & agree, as he tells you how its done, from his wealth of inexperience. Though KJV allows different, NTCC still brooks no dissent. Onerous isn't it? 
    Mike's long been a burden to NTCC & NTCC made excuses for his behavior. Now he's pastor-in-charge. Mike was/is online & making excuses for himself, excuses for the org, excuses for his wife, excuses for his son & this started the end of NTCC's growth. Not because Mike was defending something personally important (everyone does this), but it was Mike & everyone knew he hadn't done anything that wasn't given to him & maintained for him. But, Mike looks around & says see what a good boy I am. He makes excuses for having things & doing things not an option for the rest of us, since Davis only had one daughter. So, there was a sit-down-&-shut-up knee jerk against Mike, which subsequently manifested as The Great Quitting (ongoing, like the ice age).
    In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king, but Davis quit in 2014. Mike's do as I say, not as I do should stop, he's made things worse (as seen on TV). Now he has the AZ campus to further refract his sight & show everyone he's the boss. He can be a success just like papa, who respected him & you should too, or else you get the hook out the door. Mike's teaching about go-getting is just bossing since he's never done the non-negotiable go-getting part. Not even the power of neoptism changes this. Do as I say, not as I've done I do is bossing. Bossing isn't pastoring, but it's a major facet of synergy. That's correct, synergy is someone not you, deciding if what's being instituted is an improvement. Synergy = $, in it's simplest terms. 
    Let's review before the next few paragraphs: Synergy is the interaction of two or more agents or forces so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects. Determining if an effect is greater is subjective & based on the synergizer's ledger. Synergies are for money, power or sex. I.e. if you want more of any or all of the big 3, synergy will get you more. In case you ever wondered why synergy when we have the KJV? Yikes.
    Synergy always hurts someone, cuz its myopic towards human compassion; like all AI. Synergy is anchored in covetousness & why it hurts folks. Synergy's never acumen. Synergy is laziness rewarded with money, cuz synergy bypasses the effort of consideration of people. Effects to people. The more money corporations make, the less they serve people, proportional to how little they care. Wall Street's no different. Coveting is never okay. Coveting buildings for a corporation-church is still covetousness, so still verboten by the KJV. Purpose built church buildings aren't KJV anyway & ultimately burden $ from individuals as God's will. God's prohibition against covetousness is not based on what's coveted or who for. IOW, coveting buildings for NTCC's still covetousness, plus you get to pay for it without your consent. This's the synergy part. In business or pleasure, without-consent is a key feature of NTCC. MCK + Covetousness = Synergy. 
    Covetousness provides the real estate to soothe his conscience & gloss his shame from only-getting & not-giving. Something he can point to as winning, when his only competitor is God. There's no success like excess is a saying for a reason. The dead inside love excess. Synergy's just the means of bypassing the KJV's prohibitions. So, Conscience + Covetousness = Synergy also. Another contradiction to the KJV. KJV + Synergy = Synergy. There's never room for humanity or God after the equal sign. So, God + Synergy = Synergy. No insight, no empathy, no compassion, as seen on TV. Saints + Synergy = Synergy. Someone loses, saints lose, whenever a new synergy is created. Synergy isn't a KJV approved method or outcome. This goes for cults also. Synergy - $ ≠ Synergy. 
    When Mike helps your work, he helps it good. Mike's fixes stay fixed since 2014. Synergy always sacrifices people is how its implemented & a given as an always acceptable loss if they're replaced with cash. Your recent gains will be lost, any success from his pastoring will be incidental, but he'll claim it & synthesize more. See, stopped clocks can be right. He claims all credit & assigns blame is also a synergy. MCK + Praise - Blame = Synergy. How many different ways could I characterize synergy? Well, you can reverse it: Synergy = KJV  ÷  Desire. Forward or backward synergy always decides the losers. Yet, the KJV teaches all in Christ are winners. Synergy always excludes God. Forces an anti-individual outcome.
    Since I like to go on & on beating topics to death, however inelegantly, here's more: The person with the power to create the synergy is the one who decides it's an improvement. It's subjective.  Like $ = Improvement is subjective, not KJV. The boss decides if the harm caused in creating synergy = $. You create a different synergy when you quit, one not based only on the bosses daughter dollar. NTCC + Quitting = Synergy. See? You can create synergies which benefit you & aren't a sin. You can go your own way. Yes you can!
    There's no lack of fresh outrages on NTCC-TV. Like I wrote, criticism's easy, but irrefutable when satisfactual & why Mike's style of nepo corporate-preeminence is eminently refuted by King James' V. A one-tricky-pony, a diamond without facet. A never-ran claiming victory from his armchair at the starting gate. He's first cuz he never left when the go-getters come back through Graham (AZ's just the new place to park it). It's easy to riff the truth & this blog is one long riff unmolested by NTCC-TV's gossip & synergy. We've been out 18-years. Legal in all American territories & 50-states.
    I watched two 3 5 six of his preaching sessions in 2026. The fellowship meetings he nepos all-over are the worse from all this stuff. Once at your church, his critics-eye will be in-gathering validation for another left-brain fact-massage-&-seething session. But, he lacks control & won't wait to get to go-getting (the MCK version), so he'll attack your work, volunteer workers & congregation during the song service. And continue bullying from the pulpit in his preaching. More than once per service it's embarrassing watching Mike. He overrides all decorum in ministering at his business-churches. His behavior would be bad for a Flint Michigan McDonald's. In forcing synergy. Synergy mostly manifests as force, in secular corporations also (mass layoffs, et cetera, called mergers & quitting by NTCC). So, we know things too, from watched his TV show a time or three. Confirming nothing's changed. Getting worse.
    Puzzlingly, Mike sometimes calls preaching services sessions. Maybe from the secular music-festival workshops he attends? Okinawa's GI massage parlors & other day spas use this also. Maybe sessions is from an AI prompt? Moshi mosh?-Hello, I'd like to book your $400 session please, no happy ending & nothing for my wife this time, thanks; she has a shopping appointment on Gate 2 Street. Maybe they've day-spad so often traveling he just picked it up in his context of leisure & he's so checked-out Mike uses it in the context of church? He sometimes doesn't switch masks in time. Another tell.
    The Kekel's whole presentation of themselves show they like a worldly lifestyle for its own sake & not cuz its a gift from Jesus as Mike likes to preach. So, not including their real estate, furnishings & other LLC baubles. Imagine Mike justifying himself to George Mueller. George would probably beat Mike with a cane. Even though many of the girls George ministered to were also 14 or less, he did them differently than Mike does. Why isn't this even alarming, when it should be pitch forks & rails in Graham? The churches which are cults are obvious once you escape. Cults often have a sexual component (money/power/sex), known to its members only & they still stay.
    There's so much some people blank & a lot of folks blank & what about blank & there's people that blank & one time blank & there once was blank & the other day someone blank, salted throughout any message. Mike's lack is more obvious since Davis quit, along with his AI use. AI, just when we thought the world couldn't get any more checked-out? The coattails are gone. He doesn't have his own stories. The well-of-experience he should have by now (he's almost 70) to draw-on hasn't developed past his 1983 marriage, so he imitates what he's heard & seen others do. He hasn't done it, he's just visits churches to teach how it's done. 
    Davis rode the same shtick of inflated bloviation (redundant) & it wasn't kosher then either. But, Davis had his own stories, exaggerated I'm sure, but he never lacked gravitas. Davis' posing was based from genuine go-getting. Mike's an oblivious mimic, like a visiting parrot aping through your pea-patch. Though he evokes Olson & Denis more often than Davis in his preaching (Kinson evokes Davis & Oloans, mostly Oloans). The proverbial enemy from within. One fraud among many. Everyone must put him first so he's not stabbing their back. After you Mike, I'll stay a quitter, where it's safer. Self-preservation against a gift horse in wolf's clothing. A diamond without facet is just gravel. A tricky pony who bucked go-getting to get in the saddle. This may be another reason for NTCC's fall, it wasn't protected from all enemies domestic. Trojan's not just for adultery indulgences anymore.
    The domestic enemy assault was ignored & gaslit, now its too late. Long past a stitch in time. An 11-alarm fire. Does Mike still use overt numerology in his public ministry? More lore for another time. Alarms from The Spirit were ignored or poo-pooed. Child-romancers, nepotism, mansions, synergy, TV, Hawaii, Florida, Facebook, Arizona, more construction, Christian-erotica, football, AI, the blogs, LinkedIn, a Catholic University, expresso, performance sports car? All online warnings ignored. Another cause for the bitterness in old timers, who should be like honey-comb by now, but picked the only side contrary to their own conscience. 
    Stuck justifying Graham's sin; agreement through silence. Justifying their decision to stay & every conference is a fresh wound, a reminder staying was a mistake, when it used to be a refreshening. Every year one less to see if NTCC's going to deliver, as promised, in your golden years & another year worrying about money & keeping yourself gaslit. Ignoring the evidence around you gets easier each year (unless your readying to quit). Our I told you so won't pay your bills or give us any joy.
    Lies rely on the hearers imagination/cooperation to fill the gaps. Poo-pooing proofs, ignoring continuity & massaging context. It continues the false narrative as more lies are told to explain the previous lies through more gaslighting. Never parsing the liars language down to what, if anything, is said. Eventually, lies don't need any details since the hearer fills in the rest with the script from prior gaslighting swallowed whole. Like a keyboard shortcut or radio preset. Lies are facts-in-practice at this point. A given. Given enough time lies become cannon as exampled by Catholic/Mormon church history, so aren't questioned. 
    Innuendo & accusations are exceptionally suited for synergy cuz they can be changed to fit the need in a gaslit environment. A lie only becomes truth when someone believes it, won't question it, stops questioning it. The more repeated, the better & the more folks believe it & other newer lies. Along the way, eventually, all context is lost, conscience is seared, contrary witnesses die or move on, history's rewritten, Mike's reborn competent & why the internet witness is still necessary. Still relevant since they haven't repented & Mikes not competent.
    Preach mud & it'll stick, proportional to the numbness of the hearer, who view it less as mud over time. Like Hindu's smearing dung in their hair. Like Mike romancing a 13-year-old child. You accept what you've been conditioned to accept. This's why you'd be okay with the neighbors basement-dwelling 25-year-old son dating your 15-year-old daughter. You've been conditioned. Before NTCC you wouldn't have allowed it. The rest of Mike's preaching content is directed. Cause problem, throw mud; cause problem, grind axe; cause problem, blame snowball (or Davis, et al); cause problem, undermine licensed & ordained ministers in lieu of go-getting. Like a slot machine hitting 4-skulls, but the payouts never cash, never useful, never wholesome. It's all clown specie. 
    All Mike had to do was let NTCC run itself. He still diddles things. The pastors are College trained & have the OJT/go-getter testimony Mike doesn't. Mike's meddling is another proof of lack, another is Tanya. He improves nothing, adds no value. Mike's words aren't based on go-getting or practical application of the KJV. It's been synergy & routine wresting since 2013. Mike never became an agent of change, as he touts; just another double-agent. You've been conditioned.
    But, since Mike's the boss now, he has to boss; whether needed or not. Since it's still always someone else's fault, let's move to Arizona to cause the same problems all over a clean slate so it becomes someone else's fault. The same problems Washington state has with NTCC are the problems Arizona's having. Did he ever stop blaming things on Davis? We've been gone a minute. Mike refuses to follow his own preaching session's outline, so riffs what he is, what he knows, what's inside. This's all any of us can do. We were taught in Bible College, this is a huge no-no, we are to stay on outline. Mike's ministering is a pass. 
    One could reasonably say Mike vomits what's keeping NTCC sick, in spewing his good-news version on others; it sure ain't KJV. The loudest voice in his head isn't the God revealed in King James. The still small one has no chance. Folks can get saved next week. Mike has pastorin' to do. A synergy to maintain, construction to parade, housemaid's work to inspect, ministers to degrade, a plane to catch, a lamb to milk, a cult to crash. A poacher who has trophies to prove it. Please see 22026 131st Ave E & 4539 N 22nd St Ste R, to list a very few.
    Can you imagine someone calling Michael out the next time he starts fibricating. I got this one from StayAway. Made me think of Rev. Vergo/a? standing during a Sunday morning service & calling Mike out (who was preaching) for lying about using the N word, then he & a bunch of ministers walked out. Tracy may have been there too. I was sitting stage right. Mike remembers, but he'll speculate instead.
    So, don't do it unless your ready to leave immediately after. We saw this with my custom print shop order & all this was what I got from him. To quit is to win, to breath, to live. I know this now. I wasn't ready to leave, I wasn't preparing to leave, I was go-getting. But, in leaving we won. Leaving was an unintended forced consequence & I learned later, quite common & an intentional synergy a Christian does just for themselves. I also learned Mike's vindictive, petty, proud, while lacking all meaningful (as KJV defines) first-hand ministry experiences. A multi-tasker. Nip him in the bud & win a boot out that door; tout de suite. I also learned Davis is an only-when-you-do-what-i-want pastor; i.e. not a pastor, a boss. He always told us he was a businesses man first. All that matters is money & numbers. Who knew he was being literal? Anyone? Who knew if-you-don't-like-it-there's-the-door was literal? That's right, everyone. But, I already quit, so meh.
    Micheal was a separate unrelated print-shop loose-end carried-over from the year before & before pastor closed Seoul. Like a persistent buzzing. But, Mike confessed in his article he maligning us to our mutual pastor. When I submitted written charges against him I was ghosted. During this we started addressing personal concerns & pressing (Mike says demanding, though he wasn't there, or our pastor) for answers from HQ in 2006-2008. Separate issues unfolding concurrently. So, I started demanding Mike fulfill his office as print-shop-in-charge, just for the principle of the thing.
    But I would also say I do, if I noticed the sisters (Tanya) cutting the bread-line, pawing through the deserts while everyone waited, then ask if anyone wanted their choices to sooth their conscience, so she had to give it to me. Then I would give it to someone else, grab some spoons to share it right then, or put it back on the free-bread table. Is this another reason Mike had an ought against me, cuz I corrected his wife? Davis too (it's his daughter, Mike's like the step-dad with benefits)?
    But also, during an Asian conference, during fellowship, Rodger was holding his usual court & bloviating his usual about wives being lazy, not supporting, the blah blah usual. But, this was the first time I'd heard him blanket-blast a room when not a class or church service. I was new, a few years out of College. If during church or class, I would just tell Deb afterward none of the negative stuff said applied to her. She knew, but I wanted her to know I didn't agree. I told him when he finished berating, none of what he just said applied to Deb (not paraphrasing). Pastor didn't really react, but I was sitting close to his right side, so only saw his face in profile. Then the bloviating move on to another topic. I had a duty to my wife. The vows Davis read during our marriage ceremony even said so. I didn't know till I quit, everything is theater or fulfills a government requirement in NTCC. Things only have meaning as long as it's profitable. I didn't know what else to do but speak up. Silence is agreement to me. I had vowed (not that I needed it) in marriage. He was talking about her too. So maybe Rodger was waiting for a reason to not be my pastor, cuz he never forgets? He still appointed me overseer (Bishop) of Korea years later, so maybe not.
    Continuing, as with Tanya & Davis, I started throwing his own words & written print-shop policy & right conduct in front of his face (correcting him) in response to his gas-lighting me & in conjunction with me trying to salvage some go-getting in Korea. The persistent buzz of Michael's pantomimed go-getting sounding like a herd of kazoos in my minds ear. His psst, psst, psst; like church-wedded lesbians collecting more strays from the park. His ooh, ooh, ooh; like Palillo wanting to tinkle (not during church though). In hindsight, seems like I was at 3-strikes for the scorekeepers. Tanya (more than once), Davis (2x, as you'll read), then Mike. A trifecta of triumph over compromising my integrity & lessening of myself.
    I was multi-tasking also; out of the go-getter tool-box, not the nepo-hire's carry-on. Another caveat is, I didn't know Mike gossiped to Davis. I was adulting, while Mike slandered. But, in my defense, it also hadn't dawned on me yet Mike'd never go-getted before & to date. So, he wouldn't recognized an opportunity in helping a minister. I had no idea until I quit, Mike had never done anything ministry related that wasn't provided for him & subsidized thereafter. His only digging out is splinters from his guitar-maker hobby. Consider, he still acts like the BMOC. Why?
    Small politics. Micro-aggressions. His vague simmering disappointment. Davis had this same look. By the time he's moped enough through your work & decided to be gracious, you're too defeated to enjoy the sudden sea change. In some few things Mike's like Davis. I.e. money's the only thing, Mike always wins (standing on shoulders to do it), quitters are enemies, let's build, he never forgets a slight, he's the answer, his family's first & only. This's what you get when you host him. What you see on Graham-TV (when he's there), is what you get at your work (as you know).  
    He brings his corporate disappointment in you with him when he commandeers your church. His demeanor reflects the ledger. The pettiness. The readiness to pounce. Meanness & ire. Dirty in thought & deed. Obfuscation, humiliation. Though Mike has always styled his defeat a success (cuz it's always led to the corporate advancement he wrests from), while your success is couched as not enough, even failure by Mike when visiting? I had always worked well (my opinion) with fellow ministers before Mike & all after. Mike even televises his disappointment with your work. Davis wouldn't keep a secret either. Is this endearing, loving? Do you love your new pastor? Is Mike like Christ? Nothing negative is ever hidden, unless Mike or Davis did it. So, more context. Like Adam blaming God & Eve. A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealed the matter - KJV.
    How could I have known Davis allowed certain folks to whine to him, contrary to his macho I-know-it-all/I'm-first-up/my-house-is-in-subjection/I'm-king-of-my-castle/i-don't-need-no-permission-from-Verna image? Not very manly of him. All this kerfuffle from Mike because I ordered a custom job from the print shop & he wouldn't complete it & I wouldn't drop it cuz it was for seoul winning. I was defending my work, silence is agreement. Did he go to Panama to also help complete my custom order? Or to manifest the hissy fit he had birthed, nursed & weaned after being corrected? Pay-back? I pick b & c. This's all I needed from him. This is all he had to do. He had one job, as Bender says, but he still chooses interference. Stirring the pot to paint your work a different color is what's meaningful for TV.
    I had a pastor & Mike weren't ever it. But Davis wouldn't protect the borg from his girl-child's roughshod frat-boy bumbler either, falling up with every misstep, but propped & posed as a success by himself & others to date. Always on a cusp of mediocrity, like Don Adams. I once assumed folks didn't run to Davis every time inconvenienced or molested. Snitches get stitches. Or, as reported, Olson telling org romance-victims to find a different cult.  
    Davis was the one who directed me toward Mike after I showed him my mock-up for the DayWorker booklet for high rise apartments. I had to sell it to him first, so I made my presentation & he said tell Mike to do it. Which was weird, Mike was usually a figure head. This's why I went to Mike & not Butler or Fontenot. Mike didn't know this either & I wasn't about to do a pastor-said when he started all his pew-sitter power-plays. I wasn't raised this way. I wasn't competing. 
    Ministry isn't the game with-peoples-life Mike's made it. I didn't need to invoke Davis, I had my own authority licensed by NTCC. I learned how personal authority worked in the military & was about to learn this didn't work the same way with Mike. I was also outwardly excited about it to Mike, which was probably another mistake. But, he seemed a peer then & administrative.
    When I lived in Fort Worth Texas, I had 4-roomates from Flint & it's hard believing Mike's a Flintstoner. He's surprisingly unmanly. They were a few years older than I, more Mike's age, so probably went through school together, know each-other. Everyone goes to the same Middle & High School in Flint, from the different Elementary Schools - Wikipedia.
    Remember when we were told all church printing needs must be ordered from the print shop? Along with no phone book or other print adds & no flyers for good measure. Definitely no billboards or TV commercials. Remember when TV was clearly labeled sin? So I was stuck dealing with Mike while he continued to gaslight to my face & whisper in Rodger's ear. We had to use their products, even though cheaper & better quality could be ordered elsewhere. 
    When Mike was put in charge of the print shop, the only lesson learned was he's-the-bosses-son-in-law before all things. Was Rodger trying to find something Mike would do without whining? That he could do? I mean, Vic did it with diction through teeth not neon, so how hard could it be? He (not Vic) would even edit my requested submissions to the Trumpet before publishing? Another ought I have against him. If Mike can't delegate (& get the credit), he'll obfuscate (sabotage &/or shift blame), in hindsight. Mike's insecurity is at the base of most things in his life. Like wresting over-arches all.
    I never had any problem with Butler or Fontenot, then Mike took over. Similar to, I never had any problem with Davis until Mike helped me with my print shop order & Davis with his pastoring. Similar to when Mike visits your work. All can relate in their own way. Fontenot & Butler accommodated, Mike shirks all but the credit, praise, accolades, the offerings, possessions & his latest no-getter nepo-position (& vacations, hobbies, bossiness). He married his emeritus before any accomplishment, but he wants full credit, unearned. At almost 70 he's still talking in lieu of doing.
    Mike didn't mind my input when he & I had FACTNet strategy sessions in his motor home during conference & via email in 2004; but a custom order was too much? A custom design was too much? Suddenly, he didn't want my input? The wrong kind of input? He would even have gotten full credit. Even strategizing, The_Whirlwind was never effective, which I had nothing to do with. That's correct, he didn't hold up his side of the couch when moving furniture in the arena of ideas, as we still see online. I learned yoking with Mike makes things harder; isn't synergy. He needs his water carried & full credit. Typical nepo-hire. Biting the hand what props up his pulpit. Kicking from underneath a skirt cuz he's a shame? If he isn't ashamed, more proof he's not saved.
    Some folks exert their effort excusing themselves when only doing would do it. Please retire. Get 'er done gone maybe? It's not too late. He willn't pass through the needles eye currently, even without his house-loads of worldly burdens. He could have just done what I asked, since he was providing a service we're paying for. Pick another time to be the founders son-in-law, customer service isn't it. Christians always check their ego; especially for ministry needs. Self-controls even an administrative function.
    Whatever my tone, I needed to talk to my pastor & Mike or Olson were never it & it never involved the print shop. In a healthy cult, access to the pastor doesn't depend on the pastors mood or how they're approached by a member, or any gossip they hear beforehand. There was nothing concerning the print shop; nothing to see, move along. Don't rubberneck should be policy. So why'd Mike get involved, he was never my pastor? He impedes go-getters. He has time to undermine? At least he waited till we left Korea to visit Panama.
    I was eventually forbidden to call Davis by Olson. I guess Rodger couldn't be bothered. Was it because Davis son-in-law got butt-hurt during being held to account by a fellow minister? He should have been ashamed & thankful I kept it between us like an adult. The clown, I assumed he did the same, so really I'm the clown for projecting professionalism onto him. Before God, we were peers, both ordained even. Even our go-gettings are probably a fairly equal-value to his real estate holdings. So still pretty even. So, Peers? Still no? Well, I thought we were peers (being charitable to him), even then (being charitable to him). 
    A bosses son-in-law always presents entitled, never self-made (even when true), to everyone world-wide. The same as a bosses son. It's mitochondrial, almost policy. The nepo-hire is expected to ignoring any perceived slights, cuz they're just always there. Micro derisions, hardly noticeable if your not looking for them. Like background radiation & fruit-flies. Or did Davis pull a Davis & delegate his responsibility to Olson, never to resume being my pastor? Sad, he quit so easily. Not very manly. Like he'd done it before. Abdicate fits also. Wanting overarching all.
    A sad church makes sad saints. A checked-out founder makes a congregation tepid (we're seeing Kekel continuing this now, although Rodger became tepid, Kekel started tepid). Mike ordering folks how-high to jump in church doesn't last past the closing prayer or Mike's first windmill tilt. With Davis we said how high? With Mike it's why or you first? So, Mike's synergy is he's irate. He substitutes force for power. Compromise hardens the heart through what's allowed & why folks need to be excoriated to worship. NTCC's congenital gas-lighting, once believed (or at least swallowed), sets a heart harder & why even the sweetest old-timers are bitter now. Hypocrisy & double-standard as norm. Very disappointing still & initially crushing to me when realization dawned; this has been in hindsight though. 
    It's hard realizing much of this stuff while your still in. All Davis did was by the Holy Ghost & he never missed God? So God told Pastor Davis to shun me? My pastor of 14-years? No need to stay then, is there? So I quit NTCC. I no longer had a pastor. Till we went to our next church stateside that same week we left Korea.
    We've all seen Mike'll double-down/gaslight when exposed in other areas also, not just the print shop, so save your truths for after you quit. You won't be treated any different than we were. It's a template. Loyalty to you need not apply, just like synergy. There's no stand to take in a cult. No compromise you haven't accepted through silence &/or staying. It's either comply or exit, you'll be no agent of change. Mike's various tall-tales/tells are another harbinger. Showing there's nothing left to fix. The new heads stuffed with straw. In staying, old-timers picked the wrong side. They should have exited during the great quitting of the mid-aughts. Like I said, they're bitter with regret. Mike changed nothing to a positive difference, though he promised. I guess romancing a child means anything else goes? 
    The fact Mike v. Tanya didn't end NTCC in 1978 confirms NTCC leadership's rotten. He graduated HS in 1976 (Tanya was at least 10). He discharged at Forest Avenue in 1978 (Tanya was at least 12). Mike was preaching in 1979 (Tanya was at least 13 & Mike was now in a position of trust). They got married in 1983 (Tanya was 16). Maybe Arizona will also be different when Mike's there? In the one TV-show I've watched of Mike preaching in Arizona, he almost controls his ardor when calling a specific female student to lead service. Serendipitously, she looks about 14 (she's likely not). I have to find the link again, or I'd have posted it; but we've all seen Mike, et al, give some church-chick the look. But, the most overt during a service was/is Malone, who didn't hide his once-overs. Just follow the gaze next time. You'll even be able to tell which curves they like best.]
• I married my Pastor's wife...[True. Although, they were divorced & RWD was my pastor at this time, so technically false. Mike never allows context to block his backpedal jumper, nepo sky-hook, or fade-away seethe. Plus, we were both in our middle 30's. Plus, no dating outside the cult is still policy. Plus, we were both divorced. 
    Plus, Davis pre-approved our marriage. But he also approved Kekel, Kinson & Ripka's marriages. So, maybe Davis approving our marriage isn't the snappy-comeback I think it is? Is Mike's real problem (drum roll) I wasn't part of NTCC's child-romancer culture? (rim shot) Why would this be a negative? Live & let live.]
• My demeanor was a trifle strange, very stiff, loud, and military-like...[True.]
• Pastor sent me a good sum of money (yet Rev. Kekel doesn't include when, why, or how much it was cuz he mostly repeats what he imagines & hearsays)...[True. He was repaying his personal cash indebtedness to me, which he created. It wasn't an offering as Mike implies. Not even obliquely. Rodger (RIP 2014) can no longer be asked about the details. But there's still no need for Mike to speculate. I know the details. Rev. Tom Wright knows why Davis' had to send me this good sum of money. He was our Regional Overseer. Rev. Rony Denis knows, he was The Director of Servicemen's Homes. 
    It's a doozy of a story why Davis owed us a good sum of money (finally paid in full). So, ask Tom. Write to prison to ask Denis. Ask Mike for details, since he didn't provide any & he wrote the article. Then we-three-kings will definitively correct what Mike shares cuz he wasn't there. Like any given Saturday's door-knocking or alter call. 
    So, was Davis also nursing another ought against me cuz he had to send this good sum of money just a few years before Mike shared his hearsay about me? 4-strikes before I was out? What mercy. Rodger's told us all many times, he forgives but never forgets. And we believed him. Was he paying me back for this slight too? If so, check the box for his win. He got me back before he died wanting.
    Did he feel forced to do the right thing after he was? All evidence of a diagnosable psychopathy. Was his wound too fresh/sore/fleshly/worldly/devilish? I.e. butt hurt. Does context put things in the bright light? Still non? Davis said he never forgets, right? Davis gets mean, right? Davis plays tit 4 tat, right? You've seen all this, right? Well, check the box for another carnal Davis win.]
• Graham was the best thing that ever happened to me; a great blessing to me...[False. Even back then (2007), the best thing was my 1982 salvation. I would never say this about anything. No Christian would. Also, why is Kekel writing his sophomoric hit-piece about me 3-years after we left? Was it this blog? I didn't post anything here until I responded to Mike's article, so this can't be it. Here's our first WayBack capture from 2013 as proof. So, why did Kekel write his sophomoric hit-piece about me 3-years after we left? He drew first blood, I provide context in response. I guess Mike gets butt hurt too.]
• My method of communication [Really? But e-mails are common; even then.] disturbed him...[Subjective? I know Mike's no Luddite. Or is it he didn't like being talked to in an adult manner? As an equal? I already knew he liked deference to his nepo-coat-tails, but I'm no 14-year-old. I just never thought about that like this then. As I shared, I learned much about Mike's preferences in 2025, some of which I've written about. Mike was customer service in his then capacity, so I didn't deem it necessary to bow & scrape. But, I was very administrative, he should have recognized it, appreciate it & respond in kind. Folks don't have to do a lot of growing up in Graham. Same with the military. Mike's trajectory is High School, Army, NTCC, full stop.]
• I cut off my phone [False.], communication with the office [False.], and leadership...[False.]
• While I worked weekends [False. I only worked my org-mandated secular job M-F when I had classes during a semester. Some years I only worked one semester. Other than when I cashiered in a grocery store at my NTCC-Georgia assignment, this was the perfect job for a pastor. Like being full time, but with pay. First time presenting this context online also. More egg for the Mike.], Deborah Ministered in our church...[True. She was licensed. She sang, preached, taught Bible study, played instruments, cooked, cleaned, blitzkrieged & fellowshipped. We were go-getting together. Though instrumentally, I played only the tambourine, drums & poorly & only cooked as needed or asked (so, seldom & almost poorly). I clap pretty well though & sing good enough for NTCC's choir. I'm part Welsh like Tom Jones. Both sides of my family were know locally for singing, conducting & instrumental accompaniment. Music was a large part of my childhood environment, along with the woods. So I always knew Graham's choir was mickey mouse, but it was church & I like to sing, so I didn't care.]
• Deborah worked on a secular job...[True. Org-mandated. She was working from the servicemen's home, over the phone, teaching American English to Koreans. First time revealing this anywhere. Mike didn't know what she did, but commented on it. More egg on his face, or just the usual amount? You choose this one.]
• In emails I used pretty offensive and insulting tones...[I'm sorry? But also subjective.]
• I threw raging tantrums toward Korean Co-Workers...[False? Subjective? How would he know? Gossip? Maybe he also has the gift of fabrication? Also, if true, wouldn't maybe tirade be better word choice; cuz one can't throw a tantrum (even if raging) toward someone. I diatribe often though & am all the rage among friends.]
• I jacked-up brethren...[I hope not, first I heard was here. I'm sorry brethren. This accusation is not subjective, cuz were-they-jacked-up is only decided by the party what say they were jacked-up. Like how sexual-harassment is determined.]
• I became obsessed with what would happen to my wife if I died...[True to date. His word-choice of obsessed makes this an exaggeration. Another thing a Christian shouldn't do. Plus, why would he know? He wasn't ever my pastor or a confidant. Plus, is his gossip to make me look bad? That I would care for my wife? It's confusing to him I should care for my own family over his? He's also labeled my expressed experiences foolish & unlearned? This was shortly after Rev. Espinoza died, leaving his wife destitute, while Graham be-ye-warmed-&-filled her. 
    Lots of folks were asking the same questions cuz of Espinoza's passing, mine just became public. Mike was the one sharing stuff online during this time. I just got caught in his drift-net & our cult never does catch & release. The dolphins are always killed to become chum for preaching. Blame an eXers. Mike's always trolling for respect & relevance. Force is all Graham knows. Club seals, then label them enemy if they run. The beatings continue & moral doesn't improve. What's the definition of insanity? Synergy, that's correct.]
• I was given reimbursements for unauthorized expenditures (which I demanded)...[False. Davis or Olson pre-approved all. Olson can still be asked to verify. Plus, when cash is involved, when does NTCC pay money they aren't forced too? Kinda silly libel in context. That anyone would demand from HQ is also a silly accusation. It's hazardous enough just asking things politely.]
• I came to Korea, and when I left there was little left...[False or subjective. Ladies choice on this one. Davis had appointed me regional overseer, Korea (i.e. a Bishop). After we arrived, we pioneered 3-churches & an NTCC seminary while pastoring our also assigned church in Seoul. 
    Then it was announced Yongsan Garrison was moving their cheese to Camp Humphreys (we had already pioneered a church there in preparation). We informed Davis. Told him our adjust-fire plan & he told me to co-ordinate with Olson. I then presented the plan to Olson to re-pioneer Seoul into a civilian work, at no cost to the org. When he got back to me, Olson told us Pastor wanted Seoul closed & didn't have another work for us? 
    We were baffled at the time, but did Mike have anything to do with this? His itinerary he was sharing in the Shunk article was also during this time & he's still interfering with other ministers go-getting on TV. We had left Korea when he went to Panama, but we were still ordained ministers in the org for another 16 months (yes, they even renewed out licenses assigning us to Idaho). See him minister on NTCC-TV (esp. FMs), as if you should need further proof of blog-veracity. We've all been to Bible College, Mike offers no insight more than this, ever. 
    Thankfully, Mike implemented synergy before Davis died (so Davis is responsible for this also; Mike continues to get no credit to build credibility). This blog will never be about Kekel above how it relates to Davis & what he allowed. Mike's still never done the work he wants you to work harder at. Gimmicks & quick fixes are never KJV. We see now Mike doesn't know this. Another handicap Mike has above Tanya is a cult can't apply the Bible & remain a cult.
    We were working our Davis-appointed bishop's office, doing what he taught at Rodger's-Mega-Church-Seminar in Graham in 2001, being proactive, keeping leadership apprised, staying ahead of locally-developing events to maintain NTCC's presence in Korea & they said no? Pioneer the first civilian NTCC work in Korea? Also, no. 
    Concurrently, Mike flies to Panama on a private mission; never as a missionary though. He could have just forwarded the emails? What Mike didn't know is we had been forwarding all correspondence to Becky, at her request. Her flabbergast was feigned, sorry Mike. Where was John during all this? Was Kekel alone with her? Surely not? Once a bully, Davis remained a bully; now Mike's the bully & greatly to be feared by those left hanging. Bizarre can almost not be overused when discussing MCK. 
    A child. He undermined a sister to her sister in protecting himself. Sowing discord. This gets an a- okay? Go-getting, Kekel style. He definitely blindsided us. He'll do whatever it takes to cover-up or shift-blame for his bad-optics & Davis always supports Mike's version. Another sad thing is nobody cares if he messes up, it's expected, he's the nepo-hire, so no one expects much. But, he'll still cover-up to be the hero in his stinking thinking covert ops.
    Simultaneously, Mike never plays close to the vest. This would take self control. Or is he a split personality? He eggs-his-own-face for each new scheme. Then complains that we pry into what's posted? He rode to NTCC's rescue on FACTNet too & had to back-peddle from that face-plant. He just motivated more people to post stuff when they found out Mike was The_WHIRLWIND. Though never funny, this joke gets a punchline assigned when outside the fence.
    It's been reported he lies to cover his behind (like with Vergo/a) & we saw this in his CEO Blog (since deleted) & now on NTCC-TV. Does Davis ever make decisions based on Mike's lies? But, all he does is by the Holy Ghost & he never misses God, so this should be no? Did Davis close Seoul cuz of Mike's gossip in his ear? Welp, Mike shares in his article--Pastor also got to where he just said to let Greg do what he wanted, he had no plans to send him anywhere after the way he had acted. So yes, there was gossip in Davis' ear. I'm glad someone admitted it. 
    Does Rodger respect Mike, then why listen to him? Folks see Mike's a weasel, why listed to him? Why stay? The old timers are stuck their financially, you have a choice. Learn more about NTCC's history if you need more motivation to leave our cult, or you could just look around, watch their TV show. It doesn't have to take long, or any input from Exers.
    Mike was the equivalent of a self-anointed pew-pastor at this time in his ministry of only being RWD's son-in-law. I know, redundant. All pew-pastors are self-appointed. Marrying the bosses daughter taints anything else done after the ceremony, for anyone. Yet, Kekel emotes a loose-cannon frat-boy vibe. No humility. Even then, he was unrestrained by Davis & causing ministry problems for pastors since Grant was born. So, not-just-us had problems with him. Everyone has their own reasons, some for our same reasons. But these reasons we're discussing are standard policy. Wherever he goes, there he is; with a snide of slander-the-successful-pastor in Davis' ear. Obviously I know this all now. Now further verifiable on NTCC-TV, sans Davis. Mike's parachute was Davis, his coattails the ripcord & now RW's quit.]
• We would become mad, if he (Rev. Kekel) showed Deborah's Sister emails from me...[False, since we still aren't. Plus, why suddenly care how we felt? Plus, Becky had already been forwarded the emails in question before his eXposing-visit to them in Panama. Any negative reaction was theater on her part, so her contact with us would stay secret. Self-preservation & understandable. Like folks pretending romancing children's okay so they don't get targeted & forced to quit. Is NTCC still doing this pretending? I've been out 18 years. Minimum legal age.]
• Deborah's Sister would be mad at him, if he (Rev. Kekel) didn't show her emails from me...[Don't know if Becky got mad at Mike more than folks usually do, but she already had the forwarded emails before his visit to them in Panama. Mike just didn't know. She (& many others) knew more about what was going on than Mike ever will, cuz Deb also kept her/others updated when they called her for an update. 
    Folks were very interested in what would be the outcome of our (turns out) test case, which failed miserably. That is, Graham failed miserably. No one's surprised. The reason-bean was this all was after Rev. Espinoza died, so folks (& us) were still wondering what they could expect from the borg & were talking amongst themselves, since Sister Espinoza was left destitute, with no subsequent substantive long-term follow-up by GraHQ. Where's she working now?
    The bylaws even still mention they'll "...[E]stablish and maintain Bible and training schools, inaugurate and maintain charitable institutions, such as homes for the aged, rest homes for ministers and missionaries, orphanages, cemeteries and kindred institutions. Folks getting old (are old now) so lets have this talk. There's always room on the camp for folks to permanently retire. Problem solved.
    What will be done? So, Becky wasn't the only person calling & emailing her. Deborah has a lot of close friends in the borg. No one called me, but I joined on speaker sometimes is how I know stuff. Took notes.]
• I prevented the leadership from contacting Deborah...[False. The org had her personal cell-phone number & email (mine too), so not possible. Even blocking numbers wasn't yet possible on cell phones in 2007.]
• I asked "Ramtha Man" to do this (whatever 'this' is; Ramtha Man is Bruce)...[False. Bruce didn't need to be asked. He was already working the story when we called to ask him to write a story. Therefore, we were merely serendipitous, though a definitive nail. We'll classify this one as an exaggeration for effect. A much used personal favorite.]
• Et cetera...[True. There's always so much et cetera, id est, exempli gratia, et alia in NTCC; ergo in our cult.]

BONUS CONTENT: Rev. Kekel also includes snippets of emails from me. [So, did I cut off communications or not?] 

See what I mean? Compelling stuff. Read the entire article (and the comments); you will be glad you did. [Reenlist today.]

A trusted source shared: "I know that when I spoke last with Kekel on the phone, he told me twice in one conversation, Debbie 'better hope nobody goes digging around in her trash can.' He must have been talking about himself cuz shortly after he wrote his attempted slam on her character. I found nothing wrong with her in his entry, even though he tried portraying her as some bad wife, saying 'Greg got the job.' Real classy of him to say that about a Christian lady." 
 
"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; truth isn't." -- Mark Twain (1897)

Gregory

32 comments:

Tracy said...

Greg and Deb,

There is not one thing at all damning in anything that Kekel posted about the two of you and I plan on going into greater detail on this because Kekel needs to be exposed at every turn when he tries to smear people as good and decent as the two of you are and have been.

I, quite frankly, don't see what there was to be upset about that Kekel felt the need to show Deb's sister. Am I missing some vital piece to this puzzle?

Kekel should be more concerned about his behavior...such as when he slandered Vic's daughter when he posted as The Whirlwind on Factnet.

What? a church went into a downward spiral in Korea when you took over? I doubt that very much. Very likely what happened is you introduced some freedom to the folks there and they weren't strong-armed into serving God and being in every single service...things which NTCC regards as being "Successful".

You worked? Since when is that a crime? What's criminal is that Davis and Kekel and Olson, et al...don't work. Does he have a problem with Gesang and his lizard business? I guess we will find out if the Gesangs ever get smart and leave.

The smear continues against Bruce Smith by Kekel because he is very agitated that FINALLY some local media outlet has been gutsy enough to look into their business...monkey business and funny business and all of the other businesses they've got goin' on.

The smear against any of us is meant to take the focus off of NTCC.

Is it a Mystery Sherlock that I once loved NTCC and now I don't? It's such a revelation that Kekel has to post that drivel on his private blog?

Is it really an expose-ay that you and Deb are no longer enamored with this group that Kekel has to post emails showing how you used to?

Hey Kekel...dude....I've got plenty of glowing emails sent from you and your french-manicured fingered, big diamond-ring-wearing wife which testify to your love and devotion to us, but I know you don't feel the same now...so why in the world would I post those? To prove the obvious? That at one time you did, but as soon as we left, you did not?

It's so 8th grade!!!

Those who are in will think that Kekel's hand has been forced to do this public outing of you both because he must expose the devil...for the sake of God's flock.

Only thing is...it's those of us who are out which are doing the exposing and who are also gaining the attention of the media and I'm in it for the long haul. I will not cease, until they close their doors for good...whether of their own free will or by government force.

If you are demonized for working to provide for yourself...then that speaks volumes about this group and many of us have been in that position.

NTCC would rather see us drain our bank accounts to keep local churches afloat paying high rent and the like and to claim ourselves a Success bny not working on the job...and struggling to keep the bills paid and food on the table...to please their sorry behinds.

That group and its leaders are no more godly than my lawn mower.

Can you tell? I'm totally disgusted.

Anonymous said...

That was awesome!!! Kekel made himself look like a complete ass once again!!!
Trying to find fault with Greg's courteous and to-the-point communications will really just add to the doubt they have in their hearts already about this corrupt organization.

Praise God!!!!

I have a question though- Why does Kekel know what Greg and Deb were both making for salary????

Does anyone know what Kekel makes for a salary? Is it not a double standard to post for the world to see what Greg & Deb were both making in Korea and to keep your own salary hidden from everybody???
Especially as a so-called minister, i have asked kekel a number of times what he makes and he refuses to tell me- it is really a dirty stain against NTCC that they are not forthright with there finances

HIPOCRITES!!!

Also, take note that he would not answer Greg's question about caring for his wife if something happened to him!!!

Greg's question is not nervey or rude- its about caring for your wife and it should have been answered appropriately

the fact is, anything given to a widow or an elderly person is money taken from kekels hand and he is not going to have that!!!

FLEE PEOPLE- Run for your lives from these money hungry monsters- wolves in sheeps clothing!!

sincerely,
T

Anonymous said...

I saw that. I'm still trying to figure out why on earth he thought it was his right to show letters from ANYONE to a person they weren't intended for, without permission. Does he not realize people sue over this kind of stuff? Not to mention, what was his justification? Seems to me like he's the one sowing discord among the bretheren.

"He began to obsess about what would happen to his wife if he died, would the church support her. No NTCC answer was given to such a foolish and unlearned question."
Just how is this a foolish and unlearned question? If a minister dies, who is going to support his bereaved wife? According to their own bylaws, NTCC is supposed to. According to the Bible, the church is. Having seen many a women widowed and then have to remarry or live in a cardboard box, I think Greg was right to worry.

"My hard choice was, do I show these emails to her Sister and have the Shunks upset, or withhold them and have Debbie Shunk’s sister mad at me?"
How is this a hard choice? You simply keep emails that were meant for you to yourself, unless specifically stated in the emails! I ask again? HOW IS THAT A HARD CHOICE, MIKE?? What business was it of Debbie's sister? It had absolutely nothing to do with her!

"My take? It's all about the money."
Of course that's his take. Human nature decrees that people think that everyone else is just like them. So... a liar thinks everyone else is lying to them, a cheater thinks his spouce is cheating on him, etc etc, and a money grabber thinks everyone else is a money grabber too.

jm

Ange said...

Tracy, ...

Disgusted? I would say you are ON A ROLL! Keep up the good work!!!!

Ange

Ange said...

Awesome!! "T" is posting =D Yay!!

Why Gregory Is Being Targeted said...

"Because [ntcc/kekel]the religious system is not based on the truth it cannot allow questions, dissent, or open discussions about issues. The person [Gregory] who dissents becomes the problem rather than the issue he raised."

Damning proof of [kekel's] reprobation.

Anonymous said...

Was GS dissenting or being a dissenter. I didn't get that from MCKs post. GS was asking questions.

Anonymous said...

in cults like ntcc asking questions IS dissent

Tracy said...

He wasn't dissenting to anything. I'm actually glad Kekel posted all of that because now when he pops his cork over anything the Shunks are doing, I'll know that his premise for promoting that idea is totally unfounded.

Once a Whirlwind, always a Whirlwind!!!

Anonymous said...

Tracy,

I was thinking about this the other day and I made mention to Deb about this issue as well. Since when has it been an issue with women working? Tanya has been working all along! Or is working as a teacher at the Bible School not working? I don't know why Michael "felt the need" (I like how you put that) to say that about Deb...he only hung himself with that.

Another thing about all those emails he posted on his site about Greg and Deb, I asked myself this question. How is it that he who has never gone out and built a work from scratch possibly know how a work should be built?

Anonymous said...

girl-y-wind-bag for sure

Anonymous said...

Mike Kekel knew all along that Deb was working but it wasn't an issue until she left the NTCC. Had she never left it would have just been covered up and who knows how many other women have worked with Kekel knowing about it but keeping it silent as long as they stayed in the NTCC?

If it was such a big deal why is he just bringing it up now? Same NTCC ways. With all this information floating around it should be easy to see what Mike Kekel is really all about.

Anonymous said...

Not just Tanya working. I know for a FACT there is a lady in ntcc. Who babysits. Enough to PAY TAXES on her INCOME that she is making watching other people's kids. I can assume she thinks that is OK. since she is IN HER HOME! That she is still fulfilling the ntcc standard of the "keeper of the home". She is working on a SECULAR JOB. Folks start daycares in there home's. If you go to fill out a form that ask what your occupation is. DAYCRE PROVIDER is there JOB! Doesn't matter what the location is.

Wonder what other JOBS women in ntcc are doing. UNDER the RADAE. selling crafts,sewing,day care provider,making flower arrangements,decorating cakes for special occassions,ect........ You are MAKING MONEY. It is a JOB!
CM

Vic Johanson said...

I believe Greg has already indicated that Deb's work was engaged with express permission from the NTCC overlords. In yet another stunning display of hypocrisy, they assert that it is sinful for a woman to work on a job for income. But if by doing so, she can spare them from having to send some money over, all that goes right out the window.

Like Mike says, "it's all about the money." That's obvious, since money and numbers are all that we were required to include on those weekly reports.

Ange said...

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Anonymous said...

The fact that he made a point to say that Deb was working in a "secular job" is enough to alienate him from the public. It shows just how repressed they want their women.

jm

Anonymous said...

Your little "cluster map" is all wrong! Cause IP address are not right and they have been changed and can be changed, and it is NOT against the law.

Has not listed me right, so u still do not know anything about who we are!

DS or GS said...

Dear Anonymous,

The counters are only to add interest to an already interesting Blog. Just as the poll questions are.

Deborah and I are not trying to find out who or why people visit. This is Rev. Kekel's forte (so he can take appropriate action). Anonymity understandably makes some people more comfortable.

For those concerned about hiding their identity, it is the fear of what NTCC will do to them that is the most prevalent reason.

Gregory

Anonymous said...

Sounds like ANON is Paranoid1 Ntcc doing to him!
If he takes the time to go and check the counters and locations. Which I have never done. Why,what is the point?
Then someone is paranoid. Mike K. has threated the ntcc conregation. that he can go on-line and see what people are up to while there on-line. So folks that think he is Gawd,or Gawds man. Thinks he can walk on water. I am sure they believe him!
CM

Someone Outside the 'church' behind the fence said...

Maybe anon is kekel.
Maybe he's mad he can't get people's actual locations from your cluster map.

We know how kekel loves to threaten people that he has their IP addresses.

kekel's a desperate man trying by any, yes, even illegal, means to contorl people.
He wants to force them to fear him and stay in bondage to him.

Honest men aren't afraid of what you read.

Honest men don't illegally threaten you with IP addresses they obtained to try and intimidate you into blind submission that has no freedom to read a website God drew you to in the first place.

kekel's days as a tyrant are numbered.

Jesus was no tyrant.

Christ has every right to "order" or "command" us, but

HE GIVES US FREE WILL.

Christ is not afraid of what you do.

But kekel is very afraid of you learning the truth about him and davis and olson.

child molesting. adultery. money laundering.

Oh yes, there's much for kekel and davis and olson to fear. They are afraid of you learning these truths about them.

THAT'S why they want your correct IP address. -- They want to intimidate you into not reading the truth about their sinful lives.

You can stay behind the fence if you want to and endorse their sin if you want to.

But you don't have to.

You can be free.

Just leave the 'church' behind the fence.

Anonymous said...

Is that Amber Wright-Noetzelman sitting at the table with Debbie Johnson-Kinson and Becky Johnson-Ankenbauer in the "ntcc getting fat" photo?

I thought Amber left ntcc?

Didn't see Mrs. Mears in any of the 4th of July pics. Did you?

Anonymous said...

I went to Bible.com, and every version other than the King James Version say descendents or grandchildren instead of nephews.

You're right - any reason to deny help to widows.

jm

Anonymous said...

Elim Bible Institute

Was found in the list of fake diplomas.

I know for a fact that this school and a few others on the list are not diploma mills.

Anonymous said...

You're right - any reason to deny help to widows\
JM.
You are absolutely correct.

Why does Mike K. Stay hung up on certain scripture. That he THINKS protects him from taking money out of HIS pocket to help others.
Don't help any elderly,sick,widowed,single parents,in ntcc.
I have since been to a Church since leaving ntcc. We had to move. They had a going away send off for us. And took up a collection for us. Was SUCH a Blessing. We used it to buy our FIRST brand new bed for hubby and myself.
Did it say in the Bible that they had to take up an offerring for us? These same REAL Christians. Would pay our meal when eating out for US. If we knew someone was a sick. a care basket was put together. Checked in on,taken care of! You DON"T NEED scripture to tell you that a widow needs help. Kids have there families to take care of as well. If My Mother was to become a widow right now. We could help her some,but we got two young kids to raise as well. I do know the church group she attends would be right there helping out!!!
you sir,are not what I consider a TRUE,caring,loving Christian.
You try and appear one for Looks. But deep down,underneath it all. Mike K. is a snake that slithers on the ground. A very evil man who is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

April

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Is that Amber Wright-Noetzelman sitting at the table with Debbie Johnson-Kinson and Becky Johnson-Ankenbauer in the "ntcc getting fat" photo?
***********************
Amber Wright is long gone and her sister too. Her daddy treated her so good.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the answer on the Amber question.

Anonymous said...

Amber Wright is long gone and her sister too. Her daddy treated her so good. May 13, 2010 10:59 PM

That sounds sad, about her daddy treated her so good.

Any clarification? I had heard Tom Wright was abusive toward ministers and church members. Maybe he's an equal opportunity abuser - he hates everybody?

I didn't see that while in ntcc.

But in ntcc 'abuse' is the norm.

You kind of get numb to it.

Then you get out and visit other churches.

Or you tell your friends some stories from ntcc, and watch the horror on thier faces as you share just some small incidents of abuse.

Then you realize: ntcc abuses people in every class, lecture, service, camp meeting, individual encounter etc.

It takes time to process that. But it's the truth.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Amber Wright is long gone and her sister too. Her daddy treated her so good. May 13, 2010 10:59 PM

That sounds sad, about her daddy treated her so good.

Any clarification? I had heard Tom Wright was abusive toward ministers and church members. Maybe he's an equal opportunity abuser - he hates everybody?


Amber has share many things with me and I'm not at liberty to repeat them. I think if you research factnet and other blogs you will find the truth. I have to believe Amber's side more than her biological father's version.
I was just reminded about an old saying “some people are so heavenly minded they are no earthly good.” How many in the ntcc regret not acting like a father or mother should. If you have children it’s your responsibility to provide for them and you don’t get a free pass because you’re a minister.

Anonymous said...

Factnet. Ok. Good point aboutno free passes just because your a minister.

Anonymous said...

kekel said I (Greg) jacked-up brethren...

Sounds like kekel is describing himself. He is the king of jacking-up brethren...

Anonymous said...

I know that when I spoke last with Kekel on the phone, he told me twice in one conversation, Deborah Shunk "better hope nobody goes digging around in her trash can." He must have been talking about himself coz shortly after [this] he wrote this attempted slam on her character. I found nothing wrong with her in his entry, even though he tried portraying her as some bad wife, saying "Greg got the job." Real classy of him to say that about a Christian lady.

DS or GS said...

Anonymous,

I have been publicly soliciting/encouraging/inviting NTCC to post (on any of the Blogs/Sites) "dirt" on us/me. No real takers yet. Except for this weak attempt of Pastor Kekel's "Shunk" article (since deleted).

Gregory