Matthew 18:15-17 (King James Version)

Matthew 18:15-17 (the King James SEPARATES wheat from chaff)...Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Proverbs 6:16-19 (King James Version)

Proverbs 6:16-19 (the King James talks STRAIGHT-TALK)...These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 31:10-28 (King James Version)

Proverbs 31:10-28 (the King James woman WORKS a job)...Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life. She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands. She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar. She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens. She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard. She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms. She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night. She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff. She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy. She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet. She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple. Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come. She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness. She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness. Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

9/28/2012

♪ They're pressing on their errant way ♪♫ They're sowing discord every day ♪♫ They're thriving where these all abound ♪♫ They're worldly Ain'ts - no higher ground ♪ (i.e. no soup for you) ♪ originally posted 9/28/2012...

Is Broken
Bro. Brill isn't the enemy to ex'rs, even though he's resigned as a minister (with FAMILY BOND in tact, it's a miracle), but should/does want to maintain a relationship with his in-laws (Olson). 
    This requires an obscene amount of delicacy on the Brill's part. Like petting a squirrel, a cult leader's always skittishJones, Denis, Applewhite & Davis are run-o'-the-mill examples. If Rev. Kekel involves himself with them as he did with us in Panama then fuhgeddaboudit, THE FAMILY BOND IS BROKEN (as good as). It's policy.

    We're all one witness, whether you've already quit or pending. No cult member is an enemy of ex'rs. Cult life made us silly & wanting. Mike's administrative ministrations keeps this plate spinning. Plus now, he showcases symptoms on NTCC-TV weekly. Part suds & part properties w/a side of TV-Church. A natural. 
    2027 won't arrive soon enough for some folks. Quit & the fog lifts noticeably & quickly. Just to sit on a kitchen chair on a Saturday with nothing you must do, is sublime as it never could've been pre-cult. Even to just sit in the garage or the mall like that. Doesn't have to be fancy. I like carrying a chair into the woods to sit amongst trees.

UPDATE: Regina & child have returned to NTCC. Danny going topless in a pool while teaching their daughter to swim was the marriage ender for Mrs. Brill? Adultery, abandonment, death & now topless bathing are the approved divorce reasons? Or you can forgive all slights (except the listed 3, or forgive those too) & stick together. Be a team. Two + kids against the world.
    Danny goes topless & Regina goes pharisaical? Was Regina at the pool? What was she wearing? Even a one-piece is immodest. Why did she allow her family to public-mix-bathe? Did she see it? Or hear about it from at least 2 witnesses, in triplicate. Was this a trap? I won't go to a pool & not cuz of topless men. Has she seen the Kekel's most recent Happy-New-Jear video? Well, I didn't go in hot tubs before either.

We also had this same desire; to maintain our FAMILY BOND with Becky & John. We were on good terms with them until Senior Pastor Kekel's one-off visit to Panama (the only time any overseer has ever visited Panama…yes, ever, to date) a mere month after we left Korea in 2007. 
    Becky knew we had left & why & was immediately supportive cuz she also knew where the bodies were buried in Kekel & Company's* closet. *Company, because a specific-sin is in-common among them. A things they all like to do in the same closet. 
    Plus, she'd seen John (et al) suffer the same abuses over the decades. She's even a witness to the unchaperoned classroom shenanigans, then coupling of Tanya (14/16) with Mike (24/26) in 1981 & 1983. 
    The old-school era, when little-girls were women, like in near+middle+far east-asia. Especially India & the Middle East. I imagine the adult sisters glanced askance at the indecent liberties & covered their scowl with a kerchief, hymnal or Bible (back when they were still allowed). Maybe an OG can chime in on this in the comments. Most of the brothers didn't like it either & didn't take extra-Biblical liberties. Just Mike & Phil, while others took the less-easy road of molesting-without-marrying. Now absent is a fond-nostalgia among the victims, witnesses & their confidants. Which's now everyone with an internet connection.
    Some folks won't make a stand no matter how lip-servicey they are on the phone & emails. Once supportive of us quitting, Kekel broke fixed our relationship with Becky, so she now hates ex'rs? Just like Mike. Her whirlwind coarse correction. So easily? You really can't rape the willing. 
    From reading emails Mike showed them? But, she'd already read most/all of them. We'd forwarded them to her, in real time, months before we left Korea in August '07 & after until Mike's visit, cuz she wanted to know what's going on. A lot of the same stuff was done to Rick & John, so we figured it would be of interest to the Rodrigues' & many others. It was. She wanted proof. Leverage may someday be useful to protect oneself. But only if oneself has it. 
    What started all this was Brother Espinoza died, so some started thinking about the future when they saw how destitute NTCC's ministry left his wife. I'm sure the realization they would have to protect themselves, that there was no shelter in the org, was a crusher. Our safe harbor was built with straw upon sand, while we paid for marble-on-stone-priced vanity real estate.
    This's why I also started asking Pastor Davis (never Mike, why would I, he wasn't in my chain of command, ever) about 1 Timothy 5:8 a little more insistently. Early in the process Davis passed me off to JHO, so he could run all by pastor & get back to me. 
    This was the first time in my 25 years (by this time) of salvation I had been ghosted by my (or any) pastor. Maybe Davis' gift is also the spirit-of-administrative. Ghosting is an administrative function. Putting a go-between (JHO) in place is an administrative function. I lost direct access to my pastor so they could delay & deny.
    Many can attest, we weren't the only ones asking questions. 'twas FactNet started the question-ball a-rollin' & why Gra'am started churnin' out a chum  of written explanations, extra conferences, revivals, visits, blogging & stopped fellowship meetings without Graham leadership present as a final nail. Yet, the truth will out, thanks to Berners-Lee. Plus, peoples memory of things doesn't disappear with whitewash. Especially when jogged reading blogs.
    Sorry, what? You're told something different? This's called gaslighting & we already have an article on it, along with every other blog. So, not some new thing. Neither is synergy. Ignorance isn't excused. Continuing, some of us had been around long enough to be able to figure things out while still in good standing. Many arriving at the same conclusion (as seen on FACTNet).
    I'd asked about it periodically over the years since becoming a pastor, but this time I was forcing a definitive 1 Timothy 5:8 response, not allowing them to shine-me-on, as they routinely did with all of us. 
    The Rodrigues, et al were interested in the outcome cuz people had the same concerns. Cuz of the Espinoza situation a bleak future became present/right-now to folks. 

Maybe note, while I had no pastor to protect & advise me, Senior Pastor Kekel was sowing strife* among Becky, John and us in 2007 & we were all still in the field pastoring. Not Mike, he's lobbing stones from his assigned pew-sitting in Graham, or flying to another workshop. We were even both credentialed for 2008, the year after, since they renewed us. 
    Our credentials also said we're assigned to Idaho. Everything was administratively in order. There's no pleasing some folks. *A synonym of discord, like rule is one synonym of policy. But quit means quit & postpartum & postmortem are interchangeable. According to his latest mike-isms
    I haven't watched his TV show, so I don't know if he also misspeaks online. I'm more a print guy anyway, so my examples are from his in-print language-abuse only. Wink wink, nudge, cough. Harrumph.

The official timeline is we left Korea for Graham 8/2007. Mike visited Panama 9/2007. Deb resigned as a minister by registered-letter dated 12/2008. Very administrative. They stopped renewing my license in 2009. Very not administrative, so maybe vindictive? Whatever the motive, the decision was made based on 1-side from a 2-face tribe guy. I'm insouciant with whatever.
    Jeff helped me set this blog up during 1/2010, while Deb posted articles dated 1/23/2010, 2/14/2010, 2/26/2010 & 3/5/2010, and was done. Or maybe had one more to go.
    Senior Pastor Kekel posted his praise of Me on 4/20/2010. I acknowledged it as another desperate & inconsequential ploy on 4/25/2010. The fact Mike judges anyone is silly, he's just not harmless. Whyso? Thanks to Mike mostly, it's figuratively impossible avoiding gross considerations when discussing our cult since HE MARRIED THE BOSS'S 16-year-old DAUGHTER. Mike's not silly to children, he's a predator (based on past behavior). So hear ye, hear ye, hear ye, let's quantify this:
    As we've all observed, hebephiles (14 & younger) & ephebophiles (16 & up to 19-years-old, so even 19 is still an adolescent, a child) are the most deluded & easily offended of all the sex-crime-genre's. Mike is guilty of both 'philes'. While Pedophile is the general category of Mike's psychiatric disorder. These sex disorders are only considered psychiatric if the urges last longer than 6-months & Mike married his. So longer than 6-months.
    They think it's different, better, when they're involved with a 14 to 16-year-old child & not a consenting 10-year-old or animal (beastility - rwd). 

Accusations of sex-crime is perceived as an unfair-judgement (especially in a cult) since its a 14/16-year-old child & not younger. The normies don't understand the special bond. Their context is, it's alright because:
    • "She has breasts" (this's about it, but let's add more just cuz)...
    • "We're in love" (okay boomer)...
    • "I also help her with homework" (since he's a day-school teacher & a college professor*)...
    • "She's mature for 14 (& he's 24)"... 
    • "It's Dad approved (he's 52 in 1981)" (Mom does too†), 
    • et cetera.
Bonus creepiness if the pervert is in a *position of trust &/or has †parental approval.

Continuing, like his Panama visit, the timing seemed fishy. Instead of pioneering works, Kekel's administrative-calling sows strife in other's work? Odd this, but is often the case with do-nothings who've too much time on their hands. Throwing stones & taking names. Once a bully...
    These types MARRY THE BOSS'S DAUGHER, but lack the motivation to gainfully use this to God's advantage. Why try when you've married into success & could only blow smoke otherwise. Now, you also get a trophy. 
    The I MARRIED THE BOSS'S DAUGHTER trophy. Cuz he romanced a child? This first requires grooming before the victim will accept the romance (a euphemism of cult-speak). How long was Rev. Kekel's process? Did it really only start in 1981? No effort required once you get past the revulsion (none in his case). Plus, he can still playact being self-made. Who'll call him on it? A poseur poses. Maybe use puppets from children's church for a one-man-show, or other workshops.
    So, we post whatever we want, as long as true & with no regard for our original intent or Mike's routine online seethe against all, on God's behalf & in his administrative service. 

NOTE: This blog was closed to new posts on Davis' "Happy RIP Day", since his founders-reign had been terminated.

I would probably still be with NTCC, but they stopped renewing my license in 2009. 
NTCC still hasn’t given me a reason why they didn't renew my license for 2009. I sent in the required fees on time, my tithe was current & I planned to continue renewing my license. Again, our licenses showed we were assigned to Idaho. 
    We were administratively above reproach & it's not even our gift. I sent them frequent snail-mail (and less frequent email) requests, asking what they wanted me to do? 
    Could I please have permission to pioneer a church in the town we were living in? Be someone’s helper (hadn't done this before)? Pastor yet another failing established church, which became growing-churches by the time we were reassigned each time? 
    Excepting Hephzibah, since we were only there about 7 months before being moved. But, blitzkrieg had been set up by us with all the forms, maps, single fold flyers (we all called them pamphlets, since Davis didn't like calling flyers flyers & why they're made with a single fold), door hangars (also a flyer), business cards, et cetera in 1997. This was before blitzkrieg had become official policy. We were covering Hephzibah block by block to start. Every house at least 3 visits. About a 2,500 population in 19 square miles, 1,400 households. 
    In 2001, in Seoul, I made an EnableDB & sent it to the office for them to disseminate (& tweak as needed) after we went to the Blitzkrieg-Implementation Ministers-Conference in Graham during 9.11.2001 week. 
    They said we could use Enable to set up a data base, so I did. I still have my original & the one they sent out. The db file they distributed to us all after was pretty close to what I submitted, they didn't have to make many (any) changes. 
    We were in the home country of Yoido Full Gospel Church which Davis referenced in this conference. After we got settled I paid them a visit to get pointers. They were very forthcoming, already had a program set up to help ministers build churches. 
    Then, we had 9 students (3 Koreans, 2 Nigerians, 1 retired military & 3 military) & a classroom to start a Bible college like Davis did in the PI. A Bible college was a key to building a mega-church (according to Young Hoon Lee). Yet, the Philippines has the same 0 or 2 churches & 1 out station for most of its existence. After I told RWD everything we had been applying from conference he shut us down? 
    No new college (already set up, we already had an orientation; his yes would have started classes the next day, everyone had already gotten a typewriter), no further visits to Yoido, no church planting, no NTCC mega-church in Asia. 
    Just area canvas & fill out the dayworker & other forms only. Keep sending your weekly report & money to support Graham. The only NTCC church location not self-supporting. Stop pioneering churches at the bases you visit for your college job. We paid to go to the conference & weren't allowed to apply what was taught?
    By the time Davis shut us down we had pioneered 2 churches & they had sent pastors (Gandy, Scrivens). We had a 3rd one started in TDC again & needed permission to sign a building lease. When I called this time, Davis said he had no one to send & stop pioneering works (paraphrasing). 
    Seoul was the last NTCC church I ever pastored, Humphreys the last we pioneered & we came close to opening a seminary.
    
Olson even dangled a teaching position at the Seminary. Something I had shared in years past as wanting to eventually do if it ever worked out. We would have had to stop go-getting across the globe to be an adjunct professor. Though over-qualified, I wasn't interested now, I'd seen for myself behind the curtain. Plus, they don't offer tenure. 
    I wasn't interested in teaching at the Seminary anymore also since an unrepentant, protected & unprosecuted Mike creates a toxic environment as seen on NTCC-TV. As Marxism does in secular university's & why it was so easy emotionally to quit my job in Korea. 
    They all knew I was a Pastor, so was a target. They liked to corner you (sometimes literally) & wanted to debate religion? I begged off as often as I could, which was about 90% of the time. Mostly gotchya questions.
    The few other Christians on staff experienced the same persecutions. We supported each other, take breaks together. Education is already a hostile work environment for a Christian but Mike makes it worse than Marx since he's called brother. The enemy within. Like a sibling picking on/at you. So, why haven't you quit yet?
    I rightly considered this a ruse & not a legitimate offer. To lure us to Graham so they could isolate & massage facts & lies in their favor & to bypass my questions. Ignore me & I go away? So, I declined. Plus, my proofs are written, so can't be gaslit or dropped. 
    I would have to lie to myself to re-submit to them. Deborah is untouchable inside & outside our cult. Me? Not so much cuz I'm the new guy & considered a poor replacement for Rick in some clicks. So Mike nitpicks away. They can always control their half of a narrative, but not me anymore. Or our written proofs. Or the internet. Or their libidoHuzzah.

I submitted formal charges concerning Mike's publicly-documented ministerial-misbehavior, in triplicate, et cetera, to Headquarters in full accordance with Article 13 of the Bylaws. My charges regarded Rev. Kekel's repeat violations of Article 12 of the Bylaws while I was still in good standing. 
    Nothing came of this either. I also kept re-asking my same 2 foolish and unlearned questions, sending in my tithe & re-re-offering to appear before the Board in Graham for my charges-against-Mike &/or any whatnots & whatsoevers against me; until I reenlisted 9 months later at 48-years-old. 
    At this point I stopped requesting guidance from HQ & sending tithe to HQ Graham, but never dropped my charges. Charges still valid & still pending, with many fresh perpetrations to date.

Most all my emails remain unanswered, though shown to Becky & John? Mike had time to travel to Panama but not sit in his private office & answer correspondence? Many of my posts were returned unopened, even the ones my tithe were in. I always sent these letters registered mail, so I know they were receiving them, since they signed for them. I was being administrative (not even my gift), they weren't.
    Sometimes letters were sent back opened & not resealed? But, they're vindictive children as we've all seen over & again. Luckily my returned tithe checks didn't fall out. Very administratively irresponsible. Not what I'd expect from the administrative called-by-God by-God-you-betcha policy maverick. Ol' 3-job & a child.

After 9 months of this & receiving no answers, I was confident I had gone above and beyond what any reasonable person would expect, and went back into the Military in 2008. I'm still in, and will be eligible for retirement in 7 years. 

UPDATE: Retired 2021, after 24 years of honorable service at 61-years-old. I had 11 in when I reported for Bible College in 1994. Thanks to quitting, I've comfortably retired on savings from my last 3 deployments (17, 19 & 2021), my secular job & military retirement. My Social Security entitlement is now fun-money & I may have to crack open a 401(k) eventually. Not anytime soon, since I have no bills above property tax, utilities, car insurance, gasoline & food. 

The way we handled all this administrative drama Senior Pastor Kekel generated was done in the best way possible. In that, we kept available for anything NTCC would have wanted us to do, while spending every intervening day with Deb’s parents. 
    Then I went to a recruiter and joined the active duty military, and will now get the military retirement we'll need. 
    I had no hope of old age income with the Cult. Other than Social Security (started receiving in 2023), and working (reading, gardening & crafts now post-exit) till the day I die. 
    
Just by finally leaving the cult less than 4 years ago, we have God, a FAMILY BOND, friends, 3 new vehicles (1989, 2010, 2012), new furniture, savings, health insurance, retirement, and a huge life insurance policy (and everything is paid in full). 
    We're in the process of buying our first home (VA loan @ 2.75%) & we were able to buy Deb’s Mom a fully loaded 2012 RAV4. Also, Deb has a career she likes, which makes a real positive difference in people’s life, and will make her eligible (you have to work at least 10-qualifying-years to collect) for Social Security pretty soon, so she will be able to collect when she's of age. 
    Deb also gets to spend as much time as she wants with her Mom, Brother, Sisters (except Becky, thanks Mike), and her extended FAMILY BOND. We can go visit folks financially & have the freedom to do it. No permission needed. No need to scrimp, the money's always there now.

FYI: We've also started looking into adopting a child or 2. This'll undo the last thing the Cult took/damaged in both our lives. 

UPDATE: No-go adopting. Too expensive (north of $10,000). Why do folks have to buy children when they're assuming the cost of raising them from the state? Like something cults do. Like collecting mortgage payment from churches with no note. Effectively rendering your work a rental property of Graham HQ. 
    This may explain their routine neglect of spiritual things (see any 5-minutes of NTCC-TV for LIVE examples) & being viewed as a property management company w/MLM ornamutations. AKA collecting rent from churches & adopting tithe policy from Catholicism & seeing it eventually transmogrified to cash by a British Act of Parliament in 1836 (yes, this recent) to justify a cash tithe. So not just for farmers anymore. This's modern synergy (the States new religion movement), it only benefits the corporation.
    Convenient, non? Just following orders? Everyone does it? What's your seared-conscience mantra? You don't need many to choose from. Any excuse will do, but what textual proofs can you cite? We put ours online for all to dissect.

Anywho, Deb was sick of their nonsense. 32 years for her, 17 for me. Deb was leaving no matter what I did. NTCC even interfered with me getting licensed by AG during this time. They had a church for me to Pastor in the town we lived in. This's also the church we're attending. Their Pastor wanted to retire, but needed a replacement. 

We understand the importance of warning others, but the FAMILY BOND is more important to us post-exit. We'd trade all the useful information on our blog for our relationship with John and Becky to be what it was before Senior Pastor Kekel’s strife sowing visit to Panama (first & last one) & his subsequent online discussion of us.

On a plus side, had Senior Pastor Kekel not maliciously orchestrated these events, Deb and I would not have been allowed to spend time getting to know her father & mother. What a tragedy this would've been. He died in 2009, 18 months after we landed in Idaho. They'd been estranged for over 30 years since the 1970's, because of NTCC's no FAMILY BOND policy. No contact with non-NTCC family & friends policy.

To date, we don't contact people still in the Cult. Other than Becky, to see how they fared during the recent earthquake in the Philippines & I recently sent Senior Pastor Davis a notification email about Lillian Stevens working again
    It confuses them when given a chance at a not-cult, no-strings, no-agenda, relationship. Especially when they don't have permission. Their enemy-o-meter stays in the red for the duration of any encounter, so I don't bother. It's tedious translating or interpreting cult speech for more than a blog post. 
    I have no NTCC’rs as Facebook friends, because none have ever sent me a friend request (other than Pastor Freeman in Wyoming). We do blog though, because thanks to Senior Pastor Kekel, we have nothing more to lose. Plus, warning others is a Christian’s duty (it’s why Mike does it, right?). 
    REVENGE never characterizes ex'r motive. We've all observed everyone long enough to make this oft avowal definitive. It's never REVENGE from an ex'r. But these blogs generate REVENGE from the cult camp every time (See NTCC-TV again; jeez maybe just watch their youtube station & skip the blogs). Like Marxist's, perceived enemies generate purpose, the only purpose as it turns out. Revolution is the purpose. They Revolt against everything not them.
    I could blank all content from this blog & just post a link to the Graham YouTube channel with greater effect. Mike & Company would get around to proving all online ex'r points in short order. 
    When you KNOW some folks gunna seethe & scold, tune-in & let 'em. Make popcorn. Hershey kisses & popcorn. YOLO child-of-God. Butter & salt. Rest in your rightness in quitting & have a snack, then a nap. Now imagine a cult comes a knockin' at your door. This is how jarring a Saturday NTCC-visit can be. 

Senior Pastor Kekel did so much irreparable damage to our relationship with Becky and John that not even their Father’s 2009 funeral was able to bring us together, and the division remains to this day. Becky was estranged from their parents for even longer but didn't have the benefit of a reconciliation, so even more tragic.
    This may explain her bitter hostility (is this redundant) toward us. Senior Pastor Kekel had absolutely no involvement with the questions I had, or any Church we ever Pioneered or Pastored. Why would he? He's a Graham office worker & runs the Print Shop. He's handed me my mail a few times.
    But, he inserted himself into the relationship we had with our FAMILY BOND? He wasn’t even anyone's Pastor & Senior Pastor Davis was our Pastor. 

He pursued his own administrative agenda in Panama & with his Shunk's right article. The paper-tiger stumbling to God's rescue. The whirlwind's in a clown supercar, with only room for him. He's spiritually administrative. being about his admin spirit-business. Criticizing what others do as his service to God (& workshops). Vanity real estate, mcMansions (5 to date), supercars & other luxury
    His conduct is he's above administrative accountability for his actions. And the Cult’s actions (or inaction) proves they don't hold him, or themselves, personally accountable for anything, or to anyone. See Bylaws Articles 12 & 13. Why have Bylaws if you won't follow them? Cuz this is the way of a cult, Grasshopper.

HINT: It's a federal requirement for non-profit churches. Along with having a board of more than RW Davis. Along with a youth camp, sunday school & print shop requirement. So now you know why NTCC has these & why they're mickey mouse eye-wash. Not God's leading (as we're told), just government approval. Like Constantine's Catholic church
    Every administrative part of NTCC is in place because of a government requirement to maintain tax exempt status. And NTCC's all administrative, no shepherding wanted, just severely needed. 

UPDATE: Admin-a-Mike, with his singular administrative spirit-qualifications, is at the helm now. He's the right peg for this wrong hole, how will he do? He can't quench what's long dead. Can't make NTCC more dead. The only direction is up. How will he do it? Synergy? The old path is what's needed. But they locked the gate long ago, so synergy it is.

Senior Pastor Kekel's conduct in all this (and many other things) is not something I would expect from someone with an administrative calling, since all of this's administrative. Maybe cuz the Holy Ghost's been left out. It's policy.

In His service,

Gregory

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

If they want this stuff to be taken down, NTCC is going to have to make some apologies. Not only on the internet, but on the phone.

Anonymous said...

I am sure they want all the internet stuff taken down, and would prefer things were like they were before 2004, when they flew under the radar for decades unmolested.

But they will not change, and they will not make amends, so it will continue to be business as usual for the Blogs.

And business is booming.

Gregory

Anonymous said...

The only family Kekel care about is his own.

DS or GS said...

True Dat.

They prove this time and time again. They don't hold themselves to the same rules that the rest of us are required to follow.

Gregory

Anonymous said...

Ministers and wives how can you be a hypocrite and sit there, knowing full well you don't agree with the Leadership? You see how they’ve strayed from the gospel only to fulfill and attain wealth and power. How many times have you repented in your heart, constantly thinking it must be you? Others have witnessed the same situations. The ungodly character of the Leadership toward ministers, wives and church members. Where is your integrity to stand up and do what's right? I got tired of thinking it was me that was wrong. It was not me, even when I spoke to my husband about things; he'd tell me I was wrong. He never spoke against the Leadership, in fact he would rebuke anyone who talked bad about them. I’ve seen Greg rebuke my sister, J. MacDonald, D. Stevens, and R. Denis. I don’t know if there are any others, he was not afraid to speak up for a person. There are many who talk amongst themselves about the Leadership. I know, because I've heard them speak. I was guilty of that myself it's something I'm not proud of, I grew weary of constantly trying to make excuses for these people. It's a never ending cycle with these people. After 32yrs enough is enough. The one who gets hurt in the end is the minister, they're too proud to admit wrong.

Shake the dust off your feet and go on your merry way!

Deborah

DS or GS said...

Well put Baby.

As you know, and as I posted in this article..."Just by finally leaving the cult less than 4 years ago, we have God, family, friends, 3 new vehicles (1989, 2010, 2012), new furniture, savings, health insurance, retirement, and a huge life insurance policy (and everything is paid for). We are in the middle of buying our first home, and we were able to buy Deb’s Mom a fully loaded 2012 RAV4. Also, Deb has a career that she likes, and that makes a real positive difference in people’s life, and that will make her eligible for Social Security pretty soon, and she will be able to collect when she gets that age. Deb also gets to spend as much time as she wants with her Mom, Brother, Sisters (except Becky), and her extended Family."

Our life is good,

Gregory

Chief said...

Man, I'm so glad to hear that Greg. Now that is a good testimony. Of course you know, my family is doing good as well. I'm really happy that you and Deb are prospering. Those of us who have left the NTCC are all doing so well. Don and Ange, Vic and the last I knew, Casey Hayes was also doing well and so were his kids. We talked about 2 months ago.

I know one guy who left the NTCC about two years ago who made E-7 and then got a commission and he is currently a Lieutenant on active duty. He was here with us in Columbus and then in was in MO at Ft. Leonard Wood. He left the NTCC because the NTCC leadership ran off his pastor and then tried to dog out the church members after the Pastor left. I think the pastors name was Granger or something like that. The last I heard, Granger is doing great also. Another guy that was with us at the NTCC church here in Columbus made E-7, got selected for E-8, and then became a Warrent Officer and he is doing great living in a 5000+ square foot 3 story all above ground house that's almost mansion. I'll be going to his house this Thursday to watch football.

Another guy that was in the NTCC church with us here in Columbus has a great job, his wife is a manager over a chain of well known supermarkets in the area and they are closing on a brand new house around the middle of October and they have a young boy together who is about 4 years old now. Their oldest two kids both joined the Air Force and are also doing well and he also has a brand new Tundra that I got him a great deal on because I used to work at the Toyota Dealership and I'm real tight with the General Sales Manager.

Come on man, Come on. These are bad stories? All of us used to be in the NTCC and we all left and we are all prospering and doing great? Houses, new cars, etc, etc, etc? COME ON!!!!! COME ON!!!! Cursed??? REALLY??? The difference between all of us and the NTCC leadership is we actually work for what we own and (unlike them) we aren't using people to get it.

So what is the moral of the story? Leave the NTCC and get on with the life that God intended for you. Oh also, the guy who is a Commissioned Officer? He wants to be a pastor!!! Just not with the NTCC. The guy who is closing on a brand new house in October? He is heavily involved with his church in somewhat of an official capacity to my understanding. I know he is really involved. So you are not just talking about a whole bunch of heathens here. I may be a heathen but I'm not menace to society like the NTCC leadership. I'm not taking advantage of folks for their money like Davis, Kekel and Olson. The NTCC just keeps people down unless you are one of their family members or close confidants and that didn't help Danny Brill.

Chief

Anonymous said...

Chief said: COME ON, COME ON! LOL. That was funny. That guy is fired up. LOL. Chief, you need to take some downers or something man. Just chill. I think you are funny. COME ON, COME ON!!!!! LOL.

Chief said...

Thanks. I think you are funny also. I'll drink some NyQuil. That will help me chill out. COME ON!!!! I had to get that one out. I'm mellow now.

DS or GS said...

Thanks for the good reports Chief, Like you I don't know of anyone who's life hasn't improved post exit, and most are doing exceptionally well like yourself and the ones you talked about above.

Cheers,

Gregory

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I'll be going to his house this Thursday to watch football.

Chief! Watching football on a Thursday night? That's a church night! You heathen!

Chief said...

I'll pray through after the game. The Lord understands. Oh wait.

Kekel said...

"Further, since I wasn't a bible school student during that time, I was not UNDER those rules. The sports rule was not bible based to begin with, and was for bible school students. Not me."

Chief said...

So I'm good because that rule is not for me either. I'm not a bible school student. Yippie. I'd rather live at the bottom of a dumpster than be a bible school brainwashie in Graham Washington. I'd have to put up with less dung.

Kekel's response was the spin tactic, half truth, tap dance insult my intelligence response. Mike Kekel is the ultimate spin doctor and so is Kinson and that's the second most important reason that those two are both at Graham raking in the dough. Of course the first reason is who their daddy's are and anyone who thinks otherwise is really blind. Kinson and Kekel, along with RWD the two biggest tap dancing, half truth, spin doctor conn artists that I've ever met in my life; bar none.

Chief said...

The NTCC will spin it and claim that we all have prosperity because we've been bought by the devil so I have a valid, legitimate question? Which way would God approve or which way would be pleasing to God to make a living while residing on this earth. Please think about it before hastily drawing a conclusion.

First way: Get extremely rich as a direct result of others giving money to the "church". Often times those riches come at the expense of people who can't even hardly pay their bill or keep food on their families table.

Second way: Put in real days work, get paid, and accumulate wealth and or financial stability as a direct result of your own labors.

I use the second way. Does that mean I've been bought by the devil because I have a job?

I'd say the guy who's been bought by the devil is the guy who gains wealth and riches at the expense of everyone else. Show me one example of that happening in the book of Acts or any of Paul's epistles? Check the general epistles? How about Revelation?

Like I said in an earlier post. Stop giving all your money to a bunch of greedy church leaders and start paying yourself, and you can be like all the people I spoke of who are doing quite well for themselves. The NTCCs way for accumulating wealth is not the Bible way. Show me one place in the New Testament where a church leader or pastor got stinking rotten rich off of all his congregants? Show me one example of that happening and I'll eat crow.

DS or GS said...

Chief,

Talking about money...

I don't believe in tithe anymore, but I still tithe.

Here's how. The money I used to send to the Cult, I now use for my Mother-in-Law who is the Pastor of a Church (she also owns the building). Her Son does the Pastoral duties now.

When we first got back to Idaho this year we fixed their church van (about $1,800), and we just bought Mom a fully loaded 2012 RAV4.

In the past we have done maintenance on her home, and the church (at our expense). We have invested about $25,000 dollars in Deb's parents (the work of the Lord) over the past 4 years. And we are reaping daily returns.

The $25,000 doesn't include her new fully loaded 2012 RAV4 (no interest, no money down financing...and heated leather seats).

She is also going to live with us when we get settled in our new home.

This is a much more Godly use of our hard earned money than sending it to Graham.

Graham is the only Cult Church that is not self-supporting. This is ironic, since all the other Cult Church (about 70) are required to be, or will be shut down.

We are glad we are able to do it now. And I am sure God is much more pleased since I am no longer an Infidel.

All because we left the Cult.

Gregory

Chief said...

Greg,

Now you know all that money could be going to the Kekel family. You need to get right with GAWD and pray through. Don't you know there are extra expenses that need to be taken care of at Grant's "great whore" I mean Catholic college? Think of all the gas his car must use and you know he must wear some pretty nice clothing. Tanya expects nothing but the best for her boy, so Greg, you need to start paying your fair share as unto the Lord.

Haven't you read the scriptures Greg? Thou must givest a tenth of all thine gross income, so the Grandson of the high priest canst attend the finest "great whore" I mean Catholic college? This must be done so he canst have fine clothing, and cars nice electronics to watch the most grand of sporting events so thy fellow servants the Kekels canst live in peace and contentment.

You are letting the Lord down Greg. You know God wants a percentage of your money to go to the Kekels as they had no choice but to move out of their $550,000 house because the Lord directed them to purchaseth a $750,000 house so Kekel could bring glory and honor unto Lawd. When people witness with their eyes and see the grand temple that the Lawd gavest unto thy fellow servants the Kekels, all will fall on their faces and worship the Lawd for his goodness that he has bestowed upon thy fellow servants the Kekels.

Greg, you need to repent right now!!! Muzzle not the Oz that threadeth on the church members, the senior priest is worth of his $750,000 house that must be paid for by the flock!! You need to get saved Greg.

DS or GS said...

Chief,

Funny, sad, and true.

Instead of..."I don't believe in tithe anymore, but I still tithe."

I should have written..."I know now that tithe isn't Biblical, but I still tithe."

I need to remember that for future posts.

Gregory

Chief said...

I meant to write... Worthy.

Greg, you need to repent right now!!! Muzzle not the Oz that threadeth on the church members, the senior priest is worthy of his $750,000 house that must be paid for by the flock!! You need to get saved Greg.

Anonymous said...

Graham is the only Cult Church that is not self-supporting. This is ironic, since all the other Cult Church (about 70) are required to be, or will be shut down.

What a crock! The Leadership requires of others, what they themselves cannot do in Graham. It's the little people out in the field, they should be admiring. Yet, they have disdain for them by calling them names. Excuse me, but who's putting food on your table and paying your mortgage!

I have never heard Pastors in other Organizations call their ministers/ church members names. Nor, have I heard them rebuke a pastor in front of their church members. Insulting a minister who's doing all he can to pastor a church, giving all he has to keep the doors open. Then when someone comes to visit all they can do is find fault. That's not leadership.

Deborah

Chief said...

I understand how you feel Deborah. I can feel the passion in your statement. Kekel is bad about that kind of stuff. We talked on the phone about 3 - 4 years back and Kekel didn't have a lot good to say about NTCC pastors. With Kekel, that was just the pot calling the kettle black. That is just the NTCC way.

Preachers get so accustomed to finding and figuring out everyone's faults, that it becomes a common everyday practice. They all think they are better and holier than everyone else to include each other and they become nothing but judgmental and Kekel is as bad as they get. I mean he is a real big mouth jerk. The real deal hypocrite. I can't stand the guy and I make no apologies for that.

I've said this so many times. I hate this whole house cleaning thing the Kekel's have going on. That is leadership at it's worst and a complete misuse and abuse of personnel. The Kekels USE and take advantage of people and it's just that simple. You'll be blessed if you clean my house my butt. It amazes me how easily people can be manipulated and chances are if we are on this blog, we've all fell in the same category. It's called wrongfully taking advantage of people. Davis is as good as they get at doing exactly that. I can't stand Davis or Kekel.