 |
| We consider anyone who's left NTCC AN ENEMY So visit our church & replace them (click to donate to be excused) |
Senior
Pastor Kekel calls him Ramtha Man. The rest of us know him as Bruce. But, don’t call him Kekel or Mike, seether or poser, et
cetera; as he takes offense at anything less than the utmost respect/deference shown him. Does he still think he's Davis 2.0? We've been gone a while. This's why he demands respect; acting like a Captains Wife, a dependapotamus. Imagine coveting someone else's respect all these decades & swinging it in the interem? Sad, exhausting, messy.
Waiting for his turn instead of go-getting with the rest of us. He demands what he hasn't earned, what he's seen Rodger get; but we've all seen Rodger & Mike's no Rodger. Will Kekel eventually understand anything requiring introspection? Davis took his coat-tails with him. Kekel rode them so long he forgot they weren't his. Wait till Verna dies, Olson. He'll loose those coat-tails too. Short as these may be, he needs the help. Plus, he won't reciprocate, respect others. Really, I don't think he knows how, is how bankrupt Mike is in Holy Spirit Power.
Mike neglected to develop his own authority in the decades between marrying a 16 year old & her father's timely death. Now he reaps what he's sown...nothing & he still sows error (as seen on NTCC-TV, some folks never learn). Some folks can't learn. It takes a salvation experience to posses the things Mike lacks. Salvation would have barred him from romancing a 13-year-old girl, no exceptions.
IOW, Mike hasn't been saved since he first started considering Tanya an amorous target & Graham doesn't teach once-saved-always-saved. The fact he even took a few steps on a path to romancing Tanya is sufficient proof from the KJV he was never saved. Or, was righteous judgment also changed for synergy?
Below are links to all Bruce's articles relevant to this piece (followed by my foolish and unlearned commentary):
Below are links to all Bruce's articles relevant to this piece (followed by my foolish and unlearned commentary):
When
I first contacted local veteran reporter Bruce Smith about doing an
investigative story on our Cult, he was interested. He shared he'd wanted
to do a story on the “Church Behind the Fence” for a long time, since it was such
a big part of Graham and its surrounding cities; and has a long standing negative reputation in the community.
Or as you'll read Senior Pastor Mike bragging below: "We have an outstanding reputation nationally with business people, employers, housing administrators and many others, that we have built over 30 years of serving this community and others [emphasis mine]." Bizarre are the things Mike brags about & the way he brags. Never much, if anything, about souls cuz there's nothing to report. WE ARE BUILDING! & we give you the business is their LLC, their synergy, their dead-end in Jesus Christ's name.
Once Deb and I had talked to him on the phone, and we told him a truncated version of our NTCC experience—and gave him information to Google the Blogs, and some other points of contact, to include the contact information of our Cult's leadership—he was on his own.
Once Deb and I had talked to him on the phone, and we told him a truncated version of our NTCC experience—and gave him information to Google the Blogs, and some other points of contact, to include the contact information of our Cult's leadership—he was on his own.
This one-time informal informative cursory beginning started his process of interviews,
phone calls, emails, visits to the Graham compound, Church Service and Bible Study visits. His reporter stuff. As we've seen, getting information about NTCC, from NTCC, is pulling teeth for an outsider. The rest of us can read these blogs, Bruce needed horse/mouth info as a reporter.
This was NTCC's chance, but Mike & Phil were the spokesmen, so another opportunity squandered. I'm sure is was a struggle sorting through their conflicting testimonies for Bruce's post write-up, like bloggers have with critiquing Mike's online stuff. Imagine the amount of gaslight these two spewed? Bruce probably wished he'd brought goggles.
They have trouble speaking from an outline (see NTCC-TV), how much more when speaking during an extemporaneous interview for supposed hours? Onerous for all 3 parties. Yet, he presented a yoeman's work in a 5 part series on
New Testament Christian Church in Graham WA in 2010, with a follow-up article in
2011.
Why
am I bringing this up 2-years after the events above? Well, on 26 October
2012 Bruce published an article on JZ
Knight/Ramtha w/comments. Bruce Smith has always been up front with those of us he
interviewed about his long-term personal involvement with JZ Knight/Ramtha, not trying
to hide anything, and definitely not ashamed. Not that his personal beliefs are even
relevant to the facts about NTCC.
Contrast
this with our Cults conduct during Bruce’s investigation of them. Contrast this
with what you personally know about NTCC. Bruce even provided updates. So he will make corrections to published articles, like every journalist. He even allows comments about his published reporting. A practice greatly restricted by Kekel in his very many articles. Kekel is the pot, calling Bruce black, so no change. Mike, like JZ Knight, is a cult leader. More pot & kettle, so no change. Although, JZ Knight's cult is a financial success, unlike Mike's. They're ministries are even neighboring. Remarkable parallels, while Mike continues to trend thumb-down since Davis' RIP. I think the person who invented the spelling of parallel was a genius.
So, if
you had any doubts about the veracity of his reporting on our Cult you should
consider this new article on JZ Knight/Ramtha. He presents the good with the
bad, not massaging the facts to present things in a
certain light. Imagine maybe Davis or Olson or Johnson writing a similar article about NTCC? Could they do it without showing their bias? With Bruce & other professionals, the reader is left to form their own opinion; or none at all (I chose none at all).
Again,
this is an article by a fan of JZ Knight’s/Ramtha’s teachings & went to her Ramtha's School. He could have
recused himself, but he didn’t. Why? We now know it wasn’t necessary since he can clearly report impartially on things he's partial to; as we see in his article. So, we may trust what he wrote about our Cult. In the few years I have known him I've always found Bruce to be
approachable, forthright, curious, and agenda-less. Contrast this with your
personal experiences with NTCC's leadership.
You
may think our Cult is a certain way, but a now shown impartial outside source says you'd be wrong. Or you could even just stop ignoring your own personal experiences, conscience & circumstances. Escape while there’s still time, you’re not getting any younger.
Michael obsessed over Bruce, which continues intermittently to this day. Probably cuz he couldn't control Bruce or the narrative & it still confuses him. Mike's not accustomed to adult level-playing-field interactions on campus property & this was the first (& last) time. Plus, we all know they have trouble re-expressing their gaslight when confronted with follow-up questions for clarification. This's when you get if you don't like it there's the door. But, they couldn't just show Bruce the door, like they do us.
Are we really the enemy or is NTCC its own worst enemy? I think Bruce would agree (now he's investigated) NTCC's the worst & its own enemy. Is it strange to anyone else a pastor would so often engage in defending himself with online fisticuffs in-loo-of ever spreading the Good News. Even if Mike someday leaves Graham, wherever he goes there he is. Below's an anti-Bruce post from Senior Pastor Kekel's CEO Blog (no chance Mike may win Bruce now, New Jesus approves, now with even more new & less Jesus):
Apr 21, 2010
As I said before, We opened wide our doors; we spent two hours with the reporter, including a full tour of the Campus and answered all his questions. He was laughing and joking with us, and then said we were “shifty.” He was in service with us that Sat. evening and again Sunday morning. He meandered around talking to various people, and noticed one precious brother, a veteran of the war on terror, standing in the back who stands during the services due to a condition contacted during his deployment. It somehow affects the nerves, and he can’t keep his shoes on because of the intense burning sensation. Bruce Smith took a photo of him and related his words in tones of mockery in his second article. That man stands back there because he fought for me and my family; thank you soldier, and God bless you.
In the first article, every quote is attributed to the wrong person. He called us Associate Pastors, which neither of us are. I don’t worry about titles, but in truth, I’m the Senior Pastor and Rev. Kinson is the Pastor and, as we explained to him twice, we have 3 Associate Pastors and 13 Lay Pastors working with us. He was told that all the students take classes at night and work during the day and, yet for some reason he kept asking where the women were. If he wants to see if we have women, Ladies Prayer Meeting is what he should visit, and by the way, they recently had a ladies’ luncheon with over 100 in attendance.
Here’s a few more;
“A unique strategy of the NTCC outreach is to target military bases, particularly overseas, where single, lonely American soldiers need something more than honky-tonks and bars. We provide a home-away-home," said Kinson, "and get them out of those filthy, evil barracks." (Bruce Smith)
Pastor Kinson didn’t even use those adjectives, nor mention honky-tonks and bars, and I said (not Kinson) “home away-from-home.” And why the buzzword “target?” His tone here is mockery, “ewww, filthy, evil barracks” as if to say he doesn’t think they are. I understand that he doesn’t agree with any church, and we don’t expect him to, but is it alright to create quotes of things not said? He also contradicts himself; The photo says we are “Assoc. Pastors” but one paragraph calls Pastor Kinson my Assoc. Pastor. He says we “stay to ourselves” and then says we are very evangelical and reach out to the community by knocking on doors. (?) He can’t keep facts straight, therefore he won’t get any more from us.
Numbers
We told him that we don’t keep close count of the churches and student numbers, but we could easily get that information for him, but he refused it. So then he writes;
“Rev. Kekel was unable to provide definitive answers about his organization, such as how many churches worldwide belong to the corporation, or how many members attend services, even though Kekel is the CEO.” (B.Smith)
The church in Graham is also a Christian Seminary with approximately 100 students, and a congregation of about 700-800 people, a mixture of Lay Ministers and church members. We have an outstanding reputation nationally with business people, employers, housing administrators and many others, that we have built over 30 years of serving this community and others. Our doctrinal statement demonstrates the biblical integrity of the church, and has satisfied the US Government, the College board of Washington State and the Military at home abroad. Most people who visit our churches are amazed at the differences they find, as compared to many others. They find all nations represented, worshipping together. They find a very joyful group of believers, lively interaction and upbeat services that center on Jesus Christ. We have 116 churches, and just added two more buildings and a bunch of graduates are headed out after this Conference. Amen.
All his facts are mixed up, and neither PK or myself said the things he said we said. Now in the last article, I’m the co-pastor. In another article, PK is my Assoc. Pastor. This man emerged from our interview with either total confusion or disregard of the facts. Question is, which?
After Bruce’s second Bible Study
Then he came to a second bible study. He accused Pastor Kinson of “shooting at him” in the first Bible Study, but the lesson from Acts about the ungodly fighting the church was not pre-arranged “just for him”, sorry. Bruce Smith followed Pastor Kinson around, red-faced and flailing his arms and reciting the accusations of the X’ers. We had already told him in the interview that we had no interest in debate of the X’ers issues and lies, but he kept on. We still have no such interest. He proceeded to angrily protest to PK, saying, that if he didn’t surrender sensitive, private information about how much people are paid, and what the income of the church was, he would publish that PK is level-3 child abuser and felon (which he isn’t)
Bruce Smith stated in the interview that he is a professional story-teller. PK said to him “Well, you said you are a professional story-teller, and that’s what you’re interested in isn’t it, a story, not the truth.” “That’s right” Bruce replied. He continued to demand to speak with PK’s wife about false allegations Victor Johanson made (which she factually denied); he demanded to know how much everyone is paid; he threatened PK that, if he didn’t get the information he demanded, he would publish these false accusations about him, as truth, in his paper. Now Vic Johanson pastored in Alaska at one time. Bro. Eric Barden passed away a while back, but he was Vic Johanson’s helper at that time. I don’t know if Angela Reggio was Eric’s wife at that time and in Alaska with them, or not. But they had divorced I understand, and the “Angela R” you see posting negative things is her I believe. She has no knowledge of anything pertaining to the beginning days, and should never parrot someone else’s words when they aren’t validated with the rubber stamp of truth.
Well praise God, this blog is about to break the 50,000 mark! There’s around 100 new visitors weekly, and that’s good. I also noticed a recent increase in viewings, due to recent events here in Graham, WA at the church, so I felt the need to broach the subjects here, so that the brethren and anyone who cares about it, could know the truth of the matter.
This blog was originally (long ago) setup to display facts and photos of the “X-ers” so that the brethren could know, not only the words, but the appearance (that’s generated many of the initial page views ) Once it had served its purpose, it was de-activated. I still have the photos and articles, so if anyone would like them, just email me at mckekel@hotmail.com
God bless you,
M C Kekel
In the first article, every quote is attributed to the wrong person. He called us Associate Pastors, which neither of us are. I don’t worry about titles, but in truth, I’m the Senior Pastor and Rev. Kinson is the Pastor and, as we explained to him twice, we have 3 Associate Pastors and 13 Lay Pastors working with us. He was told that all the students take classes at night and work during the day and, yet for some reason he kept asking where the women were. If he wants to see if we have women, Ladies Prayer Meeting is what he should visit, and by the way, they recently had a ladies’ luncheon with over 100 in attendance.
Here’s a few more;
“A unique strategy of the NTCC outreach is to target military bases, particularly overseas, where single, lonely American soldiers need something more than honky-tonks and bars. We provide a home-away-home," said Kinson, "and get them out of those filthy, evil barracks." (Bruce Smith)
Pastor Kinson didn’t even use those adjectives, nor mention honky-tonks and bars, and I said (not Kinson) “home away-from-home.” And why the buzzword “target?” His tone here is mockery, “ewww, filthy, evil barracks” as if to say he doesn’t think they are. I understand that he doesn’t agree with any church, and we don’t expect him to, but is it alright to create quotes of things not said? He also contradicts himself; The photo says we are “Assoc. Pastors” but one paragraph calls Pastor Kinson my Assoc. Pastor. He says we “stay to ourselves” and then says we are very evangelical and reach out to the community by knocking on doors. (?) He can’t keep facts straight, therefore he won’t get any more from us.
Numbers
We told him that we don’t keep close count of the churches and student numbers, but we could easily get that information for him, but he refused it. So then he writes;
“Rev. Kekel was unable to provide definitive answers about his organization, such as how many churches worldwide belong to the corporation, or how many members attend services, even though Kekel is the CEO.” (B.Smith)
The church in Graham is also a Christian Seminary with approximately 100 students, and a congregation of about 700-800 people, a mixture of Lay Ministers and church members. We have an outstanding reputation nationally with business people, employers, housing administrators and many others, that we have built over 30 years of serving this community and others. Our doctrinal statement demonstrates the biblical integrity of the church, and has satisfied the US Government, the College board of Washington State and the Military at home abroad. Most people who visit our churches are amazed at the differences they find, as compared to many others. They find all nations represented, worshipping together. They find a very joyful group of believers, lively interaction and upbeat services that center on Jesus Christ. We have 116 churches, and just added two more buildings and a bunch of graduates are headed out after this Conference. Amen.
All his facts are mixed up, and neither PK or myself said the things he said we said. Now in the last article, I’m the co-pastor. In another article, PK is my Assoc. Pastor. This man emerged from our interview with either total confusion or disregard of the facts. Question is, which?
After Bruce’s second Bible Study
Then he came to a second bible study. He accused Pastor Kinson of “shooting at him” in the first Bible Study, but the lesson from Acts about the ungodly fighting the church was not pre-arranged “just for him”, sorry. Bruce Smith followed Pastor Kinson around, red-faced and flailing his arms and reciting the accusations of the X’ers. We had already told him in the interview that we had no interest in debate of the X’ers issues and lies, but he kept on. We still have no such interest. He proceeded to angrily protest to PK, saying, that if he didn’t surrender sensitive, private information about how much people are paid, and what the income of the church was, he would publish that PK is level-3 child abuser and felon (which he isn’t)
Bruce Smith stated in the interview that he is a professional story-teller. PK said to him “Well, you said you are a professional story-teller, and that’s what you’re interested in isn’t it, a story, not the truth.” “That’s right” Bruce replied. He continued to demand to speak with PK’s wife about false allegations Victor Johanson made (which she factually denied); he demanded to know how much everyone is paid; he threatened PK that, if he didn’t get the information he demanded, he would publish these false accusations about him, as truth, in his paper. Now Vic Johanson pastored in Alaska at one time. Bro. Eric Barden passed away a while back, but he was Vic Johanson’s helper at that time. I don’t know if Angela Reggio was Eric’s wife at that time and in Alaska with them, or not. But they had divorced I understand, and the “Angela R” you see posting negative things is her I believe. She has no knowledge of anything pertaining to the beginning days, and should never parrot someone else’s words when they aren’t validated with the rubber stamp of truth.
Well praise God, this blog is about to break the 50,000 mark! There’s around 100 new visitors weekly, and that’s good. I also noticed a recent increase in viewings, due to recent events here in Graham, WA at the church, so I felt the need to broach the subjects here, so that the brethren and anyone who cares about it, could know the truth of the matter.
This blog was originally (long ago) setup to display facts and photos of the “X-ers” so that the brethren could know, not only the words, but the appearance (that’s generated many of the initial page views ) Once it had served its purpose, it was de-activated. I still have the photos and articles, so if anyone would like them, just email me at mckekel@hotmail.com
God bless you,
M C Kekel
I wonder if Phil or Mike expressed their side as clearly as the numerous correction-articles, while being interviewed by Bruce? I wonder if Mike or Phil ever contacted Bruce with corrections after the article was online? Or did Bruce have to find out from one of Kekel's blogs? Mike could have cc'd him. I wonder if our cult will ever learn to expressing themselves clearly the first time, yet Mike shares Michael's smart? Smarts are difficult to assume when gaslighting is how they still communicate from their latest anti-KJV framework, this time it's synergy. So many questions, no answers. So much potential, no results. So much much, no charity - myntcc.
"Spitting truth is always easier than spitting half-truth/no-truth/seethe." -- KJV.
"Throw a stone into a crowd of dogs, and the hit dog will holler". - Samuel Porter Jones
"The self-justified seldom are". - KJV
"Bruce, keep up the good work". - greg_s
FACT CHECK: I chose to assume Bruce wasn't making baseless accusations when Mike reported it above. So, after re-reviewing the applicable statutes, Mike & Phil are level-3 child abusers as Ramtha Man averred. These same 2 Reverends meet the requirments for Third Degree Child Abuse also, in case Bruce actually said this to Mutt & Jeff (many parallels, guess which one's Mutt); also based on the same online testimonies. Rodger & Verna also contributed to the delinquency. Ooh, ooh, ooh, I knew all this. I'd looked it up before, super easy to fact check, so why didn't you? Synergy? Gaslit? Better things to do (hopefully this one)?
The Level-3 classifications strict accuracy is based only on the first-person online-witness of victims & they may still be eligible for justice. Bonus! Check the laws for the state(s) you were/are being abused in. If you see something, say something also applies.
North Carolina, Missouri, Washington, Michigan, Arizona & now Florida & Hawaii have different statute-of-limitations. These 7 states are the ones Graham's leadership are known to frequent, so may not include your pastors area-of-operation. It's easy to get free legal for crimes against children. There isn't a Federal statute-of-limitations for prosecution of child-romancers. It becomes federal when it happens in more than one state & there are at least 7 to choose from so far; add more in the comments. Fingers crossed.
Gregory
7 comments:
Bruce is a good man, and Ange and I owe him a great debt of gratitude. I am grateful that he helped Ange track me down. We most likely would not be together if he hadn't encouraged her to look me up.
We enjoy reading Bruces articles, even the ones that have nothing to do with the ntcc. I have a great deal of respect for him, and think that he has done as much as anyone to publicly shed light on the ntcc's corruption. He did this with an unbiased approach, giving ntcc leaders a chance to tell their side of the story and was very balanced in his investigative reporting. He also was unafraid to ask hard questions and didn't back down from issues that other media outlets were afraid to cover.
DnA,
I also read many of Bruce’s non-NTCC articles.
Wow, wow, wow. Bruce played a part in you all getting together after decades of separation from each other. Bruce keeps getting better and gooder.
So Bruce (an outsider) has done more for you both than NTCC did in all the years you were involved? Amazing.
I would also be grateful to anyone who helped me get with Deb. I pursued her on my own, but it was Senior Pastor Davis who gave me permission to court her on the wall only. NTCC policy also required me to ask Senior Pastor Davis’ permission to ask her to marry me (they both said yes…unreservedly). Thanks Senior Pastor Davis, it’s been 18+ years, and counting.
The fact that the Cult had a chance to get their side out is evident in Bruce's Ramtha article. Bruce even published 2 subsequent statements (press releases) from Ramtha's Organization. NTCC could have done the same…But instead, they shut him out when their rote “trying to control him and his story” wasn’t working. So he was left reporting the information he had. Blasting him from the pulpit was not a good idea either. We all know they do this, but it was gross incompetence to do it to a reporter who was doing a story on them.
If NTCC wants to get their story/side out, they could just finish their website that has been under construction since 2005.
NTCC gave Bruce the nails and the hammer; he just used them.
You’re right; other media outlets did have a chance to cover our Cult. As you may remember I contacted a lot of Newspapers to investigate NTCC (as announced on the Yahoo Group)…local to NTCC Graham, and local to the Campground in Missouri. This included Drudge…no takers to date (other than Bruce).
The only reason this was done is because at the time the NTCC Wikipedia page had been deleted or reduced to a stub, since there was not enough outside source references to support the information it contained. This is also why the NTCC stuff was put on Scribd, so it could be linked to Wikipedia. Thus providing enough references to support an article.
Bruce’s 5-part series came out between March 31 and April 28, 2010. All the Scribd stuff was uploaded and linked to the old Wikipedia article by this time. The Wikipedia page was restored 22 June 2010.
The content of Bruce’s articles, and the subsequent negative content added to the Wikipedia page is entirely NTCC’s fault. They can’t even act decent when it is in their best interest. If the Cult could have minded their P’s and Q’s during Bruce’s visits they would have received a glowing article, and the negative stuff we all told Bruce could have been downplayed, or even deleted from his published pieces. Or he could have decided not to publish anything at all.
But instead, the things the Exer’s told Bruce were given more weight by NTCC’s bad conduct. Bruce can only use what he is given, and in the case of the Cult, what he was given was negative…so he reported it. Shocking isn’t it, that a reporter would report his findings.
Please note, I did not start the Wikipedia page (I wish I had), I did not write the Wikipedia page (I wish I had), and I did none of the initial investigation for source documents that brought the page into existence (I wish I had). The page was started in March of 2006. I didn’t participate in the “talks” page where what is on the page is hashed out by all concerned parties (I wish I had). I didn’t do what I did until 2010, and it is only a small part of what went into the page.
But, we all play a part in keeping NTCC exposed.
So, the Wikipedia page stays as an established page, we got a 5-part series on our Cult…with one follow up article, you both married each-other, and we all now know Bruce...A happy ending (beginning) all around.
Gregory
Gregory wrote...
but it was Senior Pastor Davis who gave me permission to court her on the wall only.
Chief said...
And senior pastor Davis can go take a long walk off a short pier into shark infested waters. Stand against the wall. I can't stand the NTCC and their control freak ways. Knowing what I know now, I'd certainly tell Davis and Kekel where they can stick that wall. You know where that is; where the sun don't shine.
It's true Gregory. Ange and I were both afraid to try to contact each other. We both thought that the other was still in the ntcc. I thought she was married and she thought that I was married and probably had Grand Kids. I'm not sure if Ange would have ever contacted me and I was avoiding the ntcc like the plague. Bruce looked me up and found an address for me on the internet and convinced Ange to get in touch with me.
When I got her letter, we immediately started corresponding through email and then over the phone. We picked up where we left off. We both still loved each other and got married within two weeks, and it has been wonderful. When Ange contacted me I was drinking, smoking, doing drugs occasionally and miserable as could be. I was so far away from God, I thought I'd never get back. She helped me realize that God wasn't done with me. I went back to the cross and found mercy and grace.
So if you look at it, in a round about way, Bruce helped me get back to God, also. I wrote a letter to Bruce and copied Ange on it, before Ange and I got together in which I spilled my guts about the ntcc and the experiences that I had. That letter became our first blog post.
Things are going really good for us now. We are happy and free, and our priorities are in the right place. I'm not drinking a fifth of Captain Morgan every night or smoking two packs of Marlboro's every day. I'm not out here condemning anyone for anything but we contribute our part to warning folks about the ntcc.
Bruce will always play a role in whatever we accomplish together because he cared enough to help us put together what was driven asunder by the ntcc, and for that we are forever thankful.
DnA
Very nice article, and straight to the point.
dead blog
No doubt.
Post a Comment