One of the best things you could ever dofor you and your family.
Sorry about all the red ink (again, my commentary). But, as is usual, Senior Pastor Kekel's reasons/reasonings engender more questions than answers; cloud rather than clarify; blather rather than succinctly proclaim.
Gary Lima says: Praise God! Sounds familiar. Thanks sir!
Tom Wright says: Thanks for this good message…. will use it this week-end…. maybe….
These comments are more disappointing than Senior Pastor Kekel's "message." We have all been taught (through observation) to expect this type of thing from Senior Pastor Kekel. But, from the rank and file? From those in the trenches? Senior Pastor Kekel has his hobbies to keep him busy. But Ministers in the field? All we have (and happily so) is our study, application, and proclamation of God's Word. These comments show Senior Pastor Kekel is not the only one with a lack of basic understanding of God's Holy Word, or even the ability to use a Concordance and Dictionary properly.
Again, Senior Pastor Kekel has an excuse (hobbies, lands, preserving the status-quo, preserving what others have built for him; i.e., the cares of this world); the rest of us, not so much.
Gary Lima is an NTCC Bible College graduate and Preacher. Tom Wright is a graduate, Preacher, and Board Member. At least Tom was a Board Member the last time I heard. Unless he got fired again.
DnA: Here and here are links to the original. I'm sorry my comments chopped up the "message" so much. I just found a lot to comment on. Maybe you should read one of the links first, before you read my article.
On to the "message"...
Text: I Cor. 16 (13)
BR: I Cor. 16 (13-14) 13 “Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong. (Amen!) 14 Let all your things be done with charity.” (Amen! When will NTCC ever start?)
Paul says (sic) should demonstrate strength, rather than be a quitter. (Again, Paul is talking about conduct, not abandoning/stopping.) To justify such behavior and weakness, the 98 lb. spiritual weakling will declare (...will declare he is standing/fighting for God from "Sandwich Mansion" in Graham...) that he is ‘still serving God’ just not a church. (The Church, as Senior Pastor Kekel uses it, is a building or an organization. The Church, as God uses it, is the people. I know this is all basic stuff, yet Senior Pastor Kekel is a Professor in NTCC’s Bible College, and the Dean. His wife, Tanya, also works there.) If so, there would have been no grudge (NTCC does this. I may forgive, but I never forget—Senior Pastor Davis. Yet, this is the man who can't remember.), rude comment (NTCC does this.), offense (NTCC does this.), disappointment (NTCC causes this.), let-down (NTCC does this.), bad-experience (NTCC causes this.), no sin that could separate him from the church. (Remember, if you leave NTCC you are not leaving God or the Church; as God defines the Church. There should be no guilt.) There is no ‘perfect church,’ (Nice try trying to mainstream. But, NTCC touts itself as the "most perfect" church. Just ask them, and they'll tell ya.) and if there was, it would be ruined by such weaklings starting to attend it. (Yet, the Bible records its character's moments of weakness. From Adam to the Apostles. Meekness and weakness are desirable traits in God's economy. The real spiritual weaklings are those who cannot keep themselves in subjection to policy, justify their disobedience, tell dirty/racist jokes, are bullies [both from the pulpit, and during fellowship] to those who are weaker than they are in the pecking order, and those who work behind the scenes to destroy Christian testimonies.)
“it’s (sic) just time to move on (sic)” (This seems manly and straight-forward to me.)
“I have a difference of opinion (sic)” (This seems manly and straight-forward to me.)
“I’ve lost confidence in my leaders (sic)” (This seems manly and straight-forward to me.)
“I love everyone, and no one has done anything to me, I’m moving in another direction.” (This seems manly and straight-forward to me.)
“I’m so free now (sic)” (This seems manly and straight-forward to me.)
über-Manly? Even in the spiritual gifts department, his calling is secretarial. Not one manly/über-manly musician comes to mind (other than most/all drummers). The same goes for photographers.
So should people give reasons for leaving or not? Above, Senior Pastor Kekel seems miffed people would leave sans any explanation. Now, you can leave if you have an approved reason. Almost as if you have to ask permission to leave. Well, why not. You have to ask permission for most everything else. Except in this case asking permission will gain you your freedom. So, go for it.
For those of you who bothered to read Senior Pastor Kekel's "Shunk" article, you observed I sent manly and straight-forward emails to him (and others)—even explaining things—and him not liking it. Senior Pastor Kekel appears double-minded about what he likes, what is right, and how we specifically need to act around/toward him. Is there a right way to leave or not? Plus, I never left. But, I guess I am manly enough for Senior Pastor Kekel's taste—he wrote, in this article that "Greg’s demeanor was a trifle strange, very stiff, loud and military-like." I know I am quirky/strange (a trifle strange...I like who I am, and the way I am), have good posture (very stiff), I speak clearly plus know how to project my voice when needed (loud), and am proud of my continuing military service (military like). Plus, Deb thinks I'm handsome, funny, and smart (so does my Mom, so I know it's true). Just ask her and she'll tell ya. We have been married for over 18 years—so I must be her type, so the "nervous concern" doesn't matter. One thing though, I am not "military like," I am military. Deb likes manly-men; just like Senior Pastor Kekel does.
“Leaving a Cult
is not the same thing
as leaving God.”
—Marshall Applewhite Jr.
Brother, that’s a pretty poor reason to throw away 20 and 30 year relationships with people you said you love. (So, what's a good reason? From my documented personal testimony, the Cult is the one that threw our 17 year relationship away, not me. Deborah sent in a letter of resignation during December 2008; this seems manly and straight-forward to me. NTCC didn't even have the courage to send back a letter accepting/rejecting her resignation. She was a licensed Minister. After 32 years she had just had enough of all the Cult nonsense. How I was being treated was the last straw for her. I never resigned. There was no need, since I had no disagreement with NTCC.)
This is a particularly cowardly way to quit (Why? The Bible enjoins us to avoid inevitable secular confrontation. The real cowards are those who blast people from the Pulpit, belittle people during fellowship, and justify their disobedience to policy.); it means to leave hurriedly and secretly. It is a method used typically by those who wish to avoid detection or “arrest for an unlawful deed.” (Webster’s) (Glad leadership final admitted they are Law in the Cult member's life. But, absconding is intelligently used by some to avoid the inevitable unfounded recriminations, guilt tripping, or the cold indifference from Senior Pastor Davis that comes from a heart devoid of the ability to love. Senior Pastor Davis/Kekel is the one who refuses to acknowledge a 20 or 30 year relationship/sacrifice to be a part of their Cult [17 for me, 32 for Deb]; therefore throwing away a 20 and 30 year relationship with people they
In other words, they don’t want anyone to highlight the sheer absurdity (We all know Senior Pastor Kekel doesn't like it either.) of their reasoning (I am still waiting for someone to highlight any "sheer absurdity" I may have engaged in [since I never left], and for someone to do this for any of the articles on this Blog.), it’s easier to seek someone to scratch their itching ears. (My thoughts exactly. This is why regular pronouncements of “We are Winning” and “We love you, Sir” are so needed by the Cult leadership. And one reason why they have Conference so often—It massages the leadership's ego; among many other things.)
1 “I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word (NTCC doesn't do this. This "message" is more proof.); be instant in season, out of season; reprove (NTCC has this down pat.), rebuke (NTCC has this down pat.), exhort (NTCC doesn't do this.) with all longsuffering (NTCC doesn't do this.) and doctrine (NTCC doctrine is usually different from God's doctrine.) 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (NTCC has been at this place for a long time.); but after their own lusts (NTCC has this down pat.) shall they heap to themselves teachers (NTCC does this.), having itching ears (NTCC has this down pat.); 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth (NTCC has this down pat.), and shall be turned unto fables (NTCC has this down pat.). 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.”
These are those who can’t let it go. (Or are pursuing the duty of warning their fellow man.) They quit the church (FYI, the Church is the Christians, not an individual organization or building, as Senior Pastor Kekel seems to think. Also, to this day, I never did quit.) but want to retain all their friends. (Yes, we want to retain our friends, what's wrong with this? We also want to retain our family—Becky and John Rodriques—but, Senior Pastor Kekel personally ensured this didn’t happen. And we were still both Licensed/Ordained Minsters at the time, and for the next year after.) They want to have their cake, ‘and eat it too.’ If you eat your cake, there’s nothing to keep. (But, for those in the Cult, since you can’t afford cake, there is nothing to have. I am glad I can now have and eat all the blessings God intended for me.) Brethren, if the quitters didn’t want our fellowship (But, the "quitters" mostly did/do.) when they slipped out, why would they want it now? (Well, because it is the right thing to do, I am surprised Senior Pastor Kekel doesn’t know this. Maintaining friendship is important. Unless NTCC is willing to now admit they are not part of the Body-o’-Christ.)
No matter what comes your way (No matter what? Interesting. So, no matter what, NTCC should never quit fellowshiping with any "Exer" that wants to fellowship); no matter who kicks your cat (Sorry, animal abuse is NTCC’s shtick. If I had a cat, no one would kick it.); in spite of problems, disappointments with people, circumstances, work, family; Be STRONG- eschew the evil, shun the babblings, reject the critics, toughen up! (This is confusing. Is Senior Pastor Kekel telling people to leave our Cult? NTCC is the one who speaks evil/assassinates character, double-talks/doesn't make sense, criticizes, seethes, gnashes, spies on people, and gets their feelings hurt. We are vilified for reporting what everyone knows is happening, and has/is experiencing. Everyone in the Cult is a second witness.)