Matthew 18:15-17 (King James Version)

But everyone knows the KJV is the anti-NTCC Version.

Matthew 18:15-17 (King James Version - the mandatory harmony and reconciliation Bible)
...Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Proverbs 6:16-19 (King James Version)

Proverbs 6:16-19 (King James Version - the straight-talk Bible)...These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 31:10-28 (King James Version)

Proverbs 31:10-28 (King James Version - the pro-working-woman Bible)...Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life. She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands. She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar. She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens. She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard. She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms. She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night. She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff. She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy. She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet. She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple. Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come. She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness. She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness. Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

11/10/12

NTCC is exactly what it seems to be (or, it's a duck)...

"All that matters is money and numbers."


First Anonymous makes it appear (on Jeff's Blog) they went there by accident (“…when someone stumbles onto this page like I did…”).

Then Anonymous went there on purpose to verify something (“…the reason I came on here is because I saw something on facebook and came to check if it was real.”)

And now Anonymous won’t be back.

Anonymous says they have not heard the leadership say anything bad about MDR (Reed) since their escape, but I heard Senior Pastor Davis (and others) say plenty against MDR when he was still trapped; at the Lodge, and during Conferences in Missouri and in the Philippines. Senior Pastor Davis would air MDR’s dirty laundry, embarrass him, disrespect him, belittle him, bully and assault him, etc…both to his face, and behind his back. Even trying to involve his wife against him.

Only harmless manly fun right? Normally yes, but since none of us could ever respond in kind, it was just bullying, and therefore harmful and un-Christ-like.

If a person never saw any of this, then they haven’t been around very long, or gotten very close to the leadership; therefore their perceptions don’t count. FYI, by close, I mean physically close to the leadership. Almost all of the stuff we share happened while we were still in good standing with the Cult as Licensed and Ordained Ministers.

If a person has never personally experienced any of this, then they haven’t been around very long, or gotten very close to the leadership; therefore their perceptions don’t count. FYI, by close, I mean physically close to the leadership.

A point is, we don't Blog because of all that is said against us now (this doesn't matter, since we have left), but because of the bad environment we were exposed to while still in. And, since NTCC's environment still hasn't substantively changed people still need to be warned.

Senior Pastor Davis’ style of shepherding would negatively tint my view of many people in his Cult. I stayed away from MDR, and many others that Senior Pastor Davis berated, because I thought they were jacked-up, and/or they would be a bad influence on me based only on what my Pastor said and did. I see now that I missed out on getting to know a lot of great people. Sorry MDR, my loss.

Senior Pastor Kekel/Davis did plenty against Deb and I during the last 1.5 years we were still in (Licensed/Ordained), only in our case it is documented. And we are living daily with the repercussions over 5 years later. Plenty was said against us while we were still in (the last 1.5 years again), and after we escaped. Again, in our case it is documented.

Senior Pastor Davis was derelict in his duty/responsibility to me as my Pastor (also documented). No one seems to care about this. Senior Pastor Kekel sowed discord among the brethren (Becky, John and us…also documented). No one seems to care about this.

There are people that have been gone for decades, and that never post against NTCC, and that are still talked bad about in some NTCC circles.

Anonymous also proves the point that you will be talked about when you leave; regardless of how amicable your escape was. They are talking bad about MDR on facebook. Ostensibly about what he is posting now, but it wouldn’t be real NTCC gossip unless it is peppered with the usual…“I knew there was something wrong when this or that happened, or when he said this or that, et cetera.” and then end with "...just pray for them." So as to soothe the Cult conscience.

And since when did it become Scripture that…“If you talk bad about us (the Cult), then we will talk bad about you. You leave us alone (the Cult), and we will leave you alone.” This smacks of revenge to me.

If we are routinely damaged for many years by something done in the name of Jesus, and it’s a systemic problem in a religion Organization, then we have the right (some may say duty) to warn others. Revenge is not my motive, duty to my fellow man is.

The world would be better off without NTCC. This is my opinion based on my 30+ years of Christian experience in many Churches (including NTCC). And my experience is backed up by a multitude of witnesses.

What did any of us do to harm our Cult while we were still involved? I think Senior Pastor Kekel’s view (...”I consider anyone who has left NTCC an enemy.") sums up their motive and spirit; my motive is to be a help to those that need help.

So there’s nothing alarming about a religion’s leader routinely saying "I can't remember the last time I sinned." and "All I do is by the Holy Ghost." and "I have never missed God."? A man that thinks this about himself is not dangerous to his flock and the Body of Christ in general?

What about a man (who has professed he has been a Christian for over 50 years) that will routinely say:

Just walk away.
• "All that matters is money and numbers." 
• "...just ask me and I'll tell ya."
• "If you don't like it, there's the door."
• "If you need more money, have more church services"
• "Don't expect me to get all excited when you come and tell me that your wife's pregnant."
• "I've never seen a homosexual or Puerto Rican get saved."
• "The ministry is a business."
• "Don't bring homeless people to church, they don't have any money."
• "...if you have a problem with me, you have a problem with God."
• "If you do what I do, you can have what I have."
• "Buy Savings Bonds..."
• "The hardest thing you will ever do is make it in the rapture of the church."
• "All Christians pay tithe and give offerings."
• "If you have a problem with one of my pastors, you have a problem with me, and if you have a problem with me, you have a problem with God."
• "I may forgive; but I never forget!"
• "Don't ask for my advice unless you intend to follow it."
• "The only two organizations I know of besides ours that have church government right are the Catholics and the Mormons."
• "No one has ever left this organization under the direction of the Holy Ghost"
• “Et cetera.”

Nothing dangerous in this? Seriously?

What about a man (who has professed he has been a Christian for over 50 years) that will routinely tell racist and dirty jokes? Yeah, the sky is green, the Government is here to help, and you’re not in a Cult.

Gregory

5 comments:

Don and Ange said...

Great post Gregory, good stuff. I was never in the inner circle of Ministers because I was the church member. But I spent a lot of time around Davis. Just being in a servicemens home for 12 + years , I've seen enough to know that Anonymous is willingly ignorant. The culture in the NTCC is that of a two-headed freak show. There is very little Christ or God in the equation. When One Ieaves the NTCC, they are no longer considered to be a Chrisrian. There is no such thing as leaving in good standing.

Anonymous said...

DnA,

Thanks. Senior Pastor Davis' perversion version of Christianity taints all who come in contact with it.

You are right, you can't leave in good standing. All who leave are enemies (MCK). But, very few in positions of Pastor and above are in good standing with God while in. At a minimum, they are worse than infidels.

So, I'll take leaving and God over staying and Senior Pastor Davis every time.

There is no advantage to staying in our Cult.

Gregory

Don and Ange said...

You are so right, Gregory. It was hard for me as a member to live up to the standards of all the Davis wannabees and to be a Christian at the same time. I can't even imagine what it was like for you and Deb. The expectation for unattainable perfection was so high for ministers. Very few in the ntcc ever seemed to live up to expectations. I would say that it is impossible to follow all of the teachings of Davis and Kekel and maintain a Christian walk because Christianity and ntcc doctrine conflict. They are contrary and ntcc doctrine changes too much. Also ntcc doctrine is hateful and harmful to impose on young Christian minds. How can you teach people to love their neighbors as themselves or to love one another when it's always you against the world? Everyone is a sinner except those in the ntcc. Not only are they sinners but they are devils according to the ntcc.

The ntcc has doctrine to refute every church on the planet. All you have to do is tell your pastor that you attended another church service with a different group and that group will be dissected, picked apart and accused of being devils. It is better to fall short of meeting the ntcc expectations and at least have God in your heart, than to struggle all your life to try to win the good graces of Davis, Olson and Kekel and have to shun the very people that God wants you to love. I can't believe that we contributed to the furtherance of this crooked empire by financing their greed. We looked away from their impropriety and shut our ears to their lying tongues. We thanked God for surviving while watching others take a fall.

The ntcc brings out the worst in people. I've never been a part of such a hateful group of people in all my life. During my 13 years in the ntcc, I very seldom was allowed to use my brain or think for myself, but now it's a relief to have free will and a conscience to make good choices and sound decisions without fear or retribution.

It was such a grind and religious routine to live within the man-made parameters of the ntcc. We had the promises of God dangled before us but we lived in such a way that we were offensive to those around us in a way that kept us from obtaining those promises. We were blinded at the time but now it's so plain to see how deceived and misguided we were by false teachings and unreasonable expectations. We were in a pickle and a serious conundrum. Thank God it's over like a bad dream.

DnA (Don)

Anonymous said...

I am an Assemblies of God minister and was never involved in the NTCC but I have come in contact with a couple that attended the NTCC's seminary and they have quickly become very influential in our little A/G church! She has become the church Secretary and he is our youth leader! My wife and I have noticed some very very very strange behavior from both of them which we feel is very controlling and arrogant to say the least! Do you have any advice for me as to what we should do because I was thinking about informing pastor about their involvement in the NTCC! We also feel like she has something against me as I am also part of the leadership in our church! Please reply

Living Free said...

Those of you who don't know and have been sheltered and LIED to, I have news for you! "REV & SISTER ASHMORE HAVE RESIGNED AND ARE NOW OUT OF NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIAN CHURCHES OF AMERICA. Rev Ashmore has a blog commentary on Facebook. As soon as Greg gets back, I will post Rev. Ashmore's link with his permission. I and others are hoping to persuade him to have a blog so that many others can read and share their story without Facebook showing that they visited his Facebook Page.Yes, they have spies who report to "Mike Kekel" who visited his page. If you have to sneak around and view this blog, doesn't this show you "SOMETHING"S WRONG" with the Church!!

I wanted to Re-post this article. So those of you who passed it off as rubbish,can now compare it to what others have posted on other blogs of N.T.C.C's abuses. Folks I have never met some of these people, yet they have had the same experience. Why is it everything that has been done to countless people, is merely re-guarded as "they just wanted sin or they had issues & a bad attitude"! Read for yourself and think what is of God and what is not. We pray that your eyes will be opened and the yoke of bondage will be lifted.

Deborah Shunk