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| Where's the Blessing in it? This is a room at the Campground (jk). |
Senior Pastor Kekel wrote here..."The
blessing is that it enables us to have a place to host the Conferences and keep
rooms affordable for those who wish to stay on the Camp."
Thanks for your input Anonymous. Since this is all you got out of the article you are obviously still in the Cult.
Thanks for your input Anonymous. Since this is all you got out of the article you are obviously still in the Cult.
A $40 room is not overpriced...until one takes their blindfold off and realizes
the Campground billeting is not a good $40 value.
And this is my point, since the rooms are not a good value, they are a rip-off,
and therefore overpriced.
Although, $40 dollars a night was the price over 5 years ago, so maybe the price went up.
Although, $40 dollars a night was the price over 5 years ago, so maybe the price went up.
But, here are the facts of why the Campground accommodations are overpriced.
Our Cult always says the things they do are to be a blessing to us. E.g. the campground accommodations and pricing are meant to be a blessing. But when the facts are examined the Campground billeting is everything but.
For $40 - $50
per day, in a Hotel within 30 miles of the Campground, you can get a room with:
2 Keys (or three, they will give you as many as you want)...
TV
w/cable (we know—you don’t use the TV; other than
to watch DVD’s and play video games)…
Internet
(you use the internet, so you might as well have a
TV)…
Phone
(you probably have a cell-phone, which uses the
internet to operate, so you might as well have a TV—your smart-phone is just a small TV with extra features)…
Phonebook…
Food
delivery…
Refrigerator…
Microwave…
Oftentimes
a pool (we know—you don’t swim)…
Sometimes
a gym (we know—you don’t work out) …
Oftentimes
a coffee pot w/coffee, cream, and sugar (we know—you don’t use cream and sugar); but the lobby always has coffee…
Oftentimes
an iron and ironing board (but you can always get one from the office)…
Oftentimes
a complimentary continental breakfast…
Sometimes
an armchair…
Sometimes
a table…
Sometimes
a hairdryer…
1 or 2
beds…
Desk
and chair…
Night
stand…
Up
to 4 lamps…
Linens…
Towels…
Pillows...
Pillows...
Soap…
Shampoo…
Conditioner...
Conditioner...
Toilet
paper…
Maid
service…
Heat
and Air conditioning…
Black-out
curtains…
Luggage
stand…
Clothes
hangers…
Dresser…
Ice
bucket…
Ice
machine…
In
room trash cans…
Trash can liners...
Trash can liners...
Snack
machine…
Laundry
room…
¾
bath…
Sink
and large mirror outside the bathroom…
Full length mirror (we know—you don’t use mirrors…none at
the Campground or in Graham…do you like struggling to fix your hair in the tiny
Campground room [my wife didn’t either])…
Alarm
clock radio…
Wall
art (we know—you don’t use wall art [just
Senior Pastor Davis’ picture; which includes Sis. Davis II]).
What you get with
a $40 per night Conference room (when not staying at the Lodge, or in a Motor
Home):
This is a room in one of the new 2-story luxury Hotels on the Campground.
1 Key (So you and your spouse have to make sometimes absurd arrangements to keep the key accessible to you both if you decide to separate for any reason. This was especially hard before cell phones were common.)...
1 Bed…
This is a room in one of the new 2-story luxury Hotels on the Campground.
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| ...and they allow you to pay for it too. |
1 Bed…
1
Nightstand (I think)…
1 Cheap Plastic Lawn chair (the only nod to comfort
in your room)…
Clothes
hanging bar…
Cramped bath…
Cheap
translucent white-plastic venetian blinds in windows that face east or west (w/no curtains)…
Baseboard
heat…
Timed
showers...
Curfew (you can't go out in town for a late night anything, because you will be locked out after midnight).
Curfew (you can't go out in town for a late night anything, because you will be locked out after midnight).
Because
of all the extra stuff you have to bring (or buy at Walmart once you get
there), and the extra gas you use to go places in town from the Camp, you end
up spending about $70 per night for a 2 man room on the Campground. If you use
the BBQ Pavilion 1 time (for a worthwhile cookout) add another $20 per night, on top of this.
Plus,
you are guilted/harassed into staying there, or maligned for persisting to stay
in much better accommodations out in town. If the Campground billeting is so great, why don't they show pictures of the rooms on the Campground web-Page. Even the worst Hotels often do this.
We always stayed in town, until the first Campground Hotel was built (1995), then we stayed there. Then we started staying in the Lodge. This was all when Conference was still mandatory up until Spring Conference 2007, and before we escaped in 2009.
We always stayed in town, until the first Campground Hotel was built (1995), then we stayed there. Then we started staying in the Lodge. This was all when Conference was still mandatory up until Spring Conference 2007, and before we escaped in 2009.
Now
the Campground has a BBQ pavilion; so now you have to spend even more money
pretending you are happy and normal (meat, sides, condiments, charcoal, starter fluid, cooler,
ice, drinks, plates, cups, flatware, napkins/paper towels, wet-wipes, et cetera...a $90+ value; yours for only $90+). Have fun playing volleyball in your church
clothes.
If you bring all these things, you still have the initial expense, plus it costs more for the extra gas from the extra weight of your preferred cook-out fair.
If you bring all these things, you still have the initial expense, plus it costs more for the extra gas from the extra weight of your preferred cook-out fair.
Just
remember, your fun is being monitored from the “Big House.” Senior Pastor Davis
(or a flunky) will be driving by (or stopping by for a friendly “visit”). If
you spend too much time at the pavilion, and enjoy yourself too much, or get
too loud, you will be marked as a person of interest, and be watched more than you’re
usually watched. But, mostly just preached at during the next scheduled
service. The pulpit is the Cults version of a fire-and-forget weapons system.
My
prediction is the new pavilion will become yet another unused/underutilized carnal
asset of NTCC (but, it looks good on the satellite view of the Campground).
Having a worthwhile cookout is a lot of work, and the people that do financially manage to get to conference
arrive overworked and under-appreciated…i.e. tired. Plus, have no extra money for a cook-out.
Once
the newness wears off (one Conference), most will want to sleep rather than
spend the day buying $90 dollars worth of cook-out stuff, and frolicking around
the homemade BBQ grill and 6 volleyball courts. Plus, then you have to clean-up
everything to a like-new condition in time for service each night.
Was
there any preaching directed against the goings on at the pavilion yet? If not,
there will be. Did anyone "Bring a boom-box! Or bring that 8' tall
amplifier and guitar..." Don't forget to "Bring
your stuff, your football, your BBQ, your camera or your guitar, (yes, even
your banjo) and let's have a blast!...you can bring your own BBQ, smoker or grill,
along with frisbees, musical instruments, coolers, whatever."
I am sure a new rash of rules was generated by the Pavilion…and is included in the in-gathering rules brief. Whatever NTCC gives they eventually take away (like the free lunch that lasted only 1 Conference), or regulates out of usefulness.
I am sure a new rash of rules was generated by the Pavilion…and is included in the in-gathering rules brief. Whatever NTCC gives they eventually take away (like the free lunch that lasted only 1 Conference), or regulates out of usefulness.
The
first time a person comes to evening service dirty, smelly, and/or tired, the
pavilion fun will be shut down. Make sure you dance and amen, even if you don’t
feel like it (like you usually do). Don’t even think about coming to service with dirty shoes (check
your kids also). Don’t act tired.
If
you are injured, don’t tell anyone. If your child is injured don’t tell anyone.
Pray no one needs a hospital visit, because if you miss service or the
leadership finds out, it will not bode well for all the most recent brand new damage
control “see-we-are-changing…really-we-are…it-was-all-Senior-Pastor-Davis’-fault”
fun on the Campground.
If
you overuse the pavilion you will be preached at, if you under-use it you will be preached at. Here is a fun activity/experiment…use the pavilion during the
non-mandatory morning prayer meetings, or during fellowship after evening
service, and see what happens. Or better yet, between services have your own Prayer
Meeting or Bible Study at the Pavilion. But, you already know what will happen,
don’t you.
Why did they even build a "pavilion?" Was there a hue and cry from the masses? The longer I observe our Cult from the outside, the more convinced I am that they want to look at what they have amassed from Google satellite view (and it is impressive). To persist in convince themselves they are doing something for God, sans evidence as God defines it. They continue to not report anything substantial, in the way of souls saved.
Here is another fun activity/experiment: Senior Pastor Kekel shares here..."You can also spend time at the Camp when there is no Conference." So take him up on his kind offer (call his bluff), and try to stay at the Campground when there is no Conference, and then let us know how this turns out.
Yeah, things are changing, and you’re not in a Cult…
Why did they even build a "pavilion?" Was there a hue and cry from the masses? The longer I observe our Cult from the outside, the more convinced I am that they want to look at what they have amassed from Google satellite view (and it is impressive). To persist in convince themselves they are doing something for God, sans evidence as God defines it. They continue to not report anything substantial, in the way of souls saved.
Here is another fun activity/experiment: Senior Pastor Kekel shares here..."You can also spend time at the Camp when there is no Conference." So take him up on his kind offer (call his bluff), and try to stay at the Campground when there is no Conference, and then let us know how this turns out.
Yeah, things are changing, and you’re not in a Cult…
Gregory
That was a serious analysis Gregory and your point was well taken. If someone is open minded enough (which most NTCC people aren't) to consider what you wrote, $20 a night would be overpriced and your points were quite valid. Timed showers? Are you kidding me? Once again they can kiss my butt which wouldn't be as clean as I'd like if the water shut off before I finished. A lawn chair? See I wouldn't know all that because I never stayed on the camp ground because too many folks told me it was a dump with sorry amenities.
ReplyDeleteIt wouldn't be worth $10 a night to me based upon what you described. No curtains? I like it dark when I sleep and for $40 bucks I expect darkness. No microwave? No small fridge? I wouldn't pay $5 a night for that mess.
WHAT???? WHAT????!!!!!
R.W. Davis and Kekel deserve to live better than I do? REALLY???? You don't see them living like that but I'm supposed to for $40 dollars a NIGHT??????!!!!! I wouldn't stay there for free!!!! Get some of that anonymous and I'm not kidding. I deserve to live just as luxurious as Davis does you jerk. $40 dollars a night. Please. When my family and I stay in a Hotel we stay in about as good as we can find. The last Hotel that we stayed in (which was about 2 months ago) had two separate bedrooms, a dining room, a living room, a NICE bathroom, a kitchen with a FULL refrigerator, DISHWASHER, OVEN, MICROWAVE, hard wood cabinets, and it even had a separate laundry room with washer and dryer in our HOTEL ROOM!!!! And because I got a discount, I got it for $126 dollars a night and I'm supposed to stay in a dump for $40 a night.
Oh but RWD goes through the roof if you put him up in a room that is substandard but I'm supposed to live in a dump on the camp ground? You all can kiss my butt after I stay in a camp ground room with a TIMED SHOWER!!!!
Get some of that.
And that's one of the main problems in the NTCC. All the minions think that RWD and Kekel deserve to live so much better than they do and the minions keep shelling out money so Davis and Kekel can do exactly that; live way better than they do. Knowing what I know now? I'm not giving some stinking greedy millionaire like Davis and Kekel my money so they can continue to live better than me. And the only service they provide is blasting everyone with a bunch of nonsense rules that they are not even willing to follow? Really?
ReplyDeleteNTCC people have such low budget mentalities and I'm not exaggerating and the ones who don't are "usually" the crooks. I never stayed on the stinking campground because I was told it was a dump by NTCC ministers and other church members who had been naive enough to stay there. Don't do me any favors you bunch of sorry NTCC leaders by offering me a low budget room with all your stinking rules attached for $40 a night. I'd rather sleep in the back of my truck which by the way is brand spanking new and it's a
Toyota thank you. Japanese. Better than Cadillac or BMW. I don't need a status symbol vehicle. I need practicality and reliability. I'm not trying to act like the "BIG CHEESE" like Kekel and Davis. I can't think of anyone who has lower character than Davis or Kekel except maybe Olson. Kinson and Ashmore run a close second with Jones right behind.
And why can I afford a brand new truck? Because I am no longer stupid enough to give crooks like Davis and Kekel my money.
Thanks Chief,
ReplyDeleteThe timed showers are on the honor system (maximum 5 minutes), and will not shut off if you go over. We never did because we timed them while we were taking them.
No curtains in a room window that faces east or west. So you are getting direct sunlight in your room for a good part of the day.
And yes, you are trying to sleep all you can at conference. At least we did.
For $50 a night Deb and I have stayed in 4 star hotel suites (full kitchen, office, sitting room, fireplace, etc.) that we bid on.
Did you get a Tundra? Deb still loves her 2010 (paid for).
Gregory
Jeff, Here are some rules that went along with the room.
ReplyDelete1. No fellow-shipping outside after the fellow-ship hall was closed. People had to sit in their vehicles and talk. But then this was stopped when people were caught having too much fun!
2. You could not visit other rooms.
3. There was a curfew. The gate was locked around midnight.
4. As a bonus, we had to clean the building from top to bottom after Conference ended. You could not check out until your room was inspected.
So you didn't miss a thing, by not staying. Count yourself blessed!
Deborah
Gregory asked...
ReplyDeleteDid you get a Tundra?
Chief said...
Tacoma, double cab. SR5 Prerunner. Satellite Radio Baby. The NTCC would probably call it the devilradio.
Deborah said...
ReplyDelete1. No fellow-shipping outside after the fellow-ship hall was closed. People had to sit in their vehicles and talk. But then this was stopped when people were caught having too much fun!
2. You could not visit other rooms.
3. There was a curfew. The gate was locked around midnight.
4. As a bonus, we had to clean the building from top to bottom after Conference ended. You could not check out until your room was inspected.
Chief said...
Can you spell, "CONTROL FREAK". That stuff burns me up. Treating grown men and women worse then folks in boot camp. $40 a night? For that nonsense? They couldn't pay me $40 a night to put up with that mess. I don't need money that bad.
Having said that, back in the day, I was brainwashed just like everyone else but not any longer. I visit who I want, when I want, for how long I want, and without some CONTROL FREAK trying to mandated and dictate otherwise. Davis and Kekel does what they want, when they want and with who they want. I don't see those crooks asking anyone for "permission". Who inspected the lodge?
I can't believe that I put up with that nonsense for as long as I did but it's over now.
And at a normal "hotel", you leave your room when you are done and they pay a cleaning crew to straighten up the rooms. In contrast, the NTCC has NTCC wifes clean up Kekel's house. $40 a night? I've stayed in Days Inn's for that price and someone else cleaned up my room.
ReplyDeleteNow who is the liar? There's no way I'm spending $40 a night to stay in that mess and no one else in the United States would do it either other than a brainwashed NTCCer or a homeless bum.
I can see it now. I open up a hotel and I tell the people who come to rent a room that they can't visit anyone else, got to go to bed and or turn out the lights at a certain time and they can't leave the area after a certain time and no talking with other folks at a certain time. How many people do you suppose would rent one of my rooms? Can you spell, ZERO????!!!!
$40 a night? Now who is the liar? Now that I've really taken a closer look at this situation, it's not even simply someone's opinion any longer. It ain't worth $40 or even $1 because I flat out wouldn't "VOLUNTARILY" stay in those conditions under any circumstances and neither would anyone else who wasn't either a bum or a brainwashed NTCCer.
No logical person who had $40 would even consider staying in those conditions.
You see NTCC people are used to being treated like children so they put up with that mess. No sensible or logical person would put up with that garbage for $40 a night.
ReplyDeleteDon't you know that 40 bucks a night is a steal now that they have the new pavilion. You can go stay with a bunch of sinners in a motel if you want to, but I'm going to stay at the camp ground. 40 bucks includes getting blasted every night in conference. You can't tell me that a little rebuke and reproof isn't good for you. If you stay in a motel, you might have your TV and Microwave but God is definitely going to be at the campground. Didn't you know that? For 40 bucks, we get to sleep on 2 inch foam pads in bunk beds with the mosquitoes and crickets and God. Meanwhile back at the lodge, Verna is snoozing in her manly pajamas with all the ammenities of a The Hilton, while R-dub is sawing logs in a Nyquil induced coma.
ReplyDeleteI might be crazy, but let me stay crazy. You all are missing out on the true blessings of staying at the Camp Ground. This is what we live for. Camp Meeting!!! We pay our tithes and give in offerings all year long so we can scrape together a few hundred bucks, (if we are lucky) and make that drive to Santa Fe, MO. We are going to be blessed. Now that we can bring our frisbees and ukuleles and sing songs around the campfire. This is the highlight of our lives. It's what we live for.
Don't you realize that the ntcc is the last hope for mankind on earth? If you are not on the campground clapping your hands and stomping your feet when the rapture takes place you are going to be left behind. That is why everyone is highly encouraged to go. If God wants you at that campground but you decide to sleep in some motel, you are going to miss out. If you don't quit your job and go to conference, you are going to miss out on the move of God. Thus saith the great and mighty blow hard.
I don't know if that message was from Don or Ange but Don is fired. If Don wrote it he's fired and if Ange wrote it, Don doesn't have "CONTROL" of his wife and Don is still fired. He is no longer CEO of Blogsters and he is no longer the General Bloggerseer. Until he prays through and gets right with Gawd I won't even allow him to lead Blog service!!! Thus saith the Chief Chili Cheese Dog Chippy Cheat Chiefster Swindler Huckster. You better repent and renounce the camp ground or you'll never again be the General Bloggerseer Don.
ReplyDeleteThe camp ground rules stink so beat your face. I don't want to be around Verna in her jammies while Rdub passes out from Nyquil holding his Henry Rifle that he conned all the ministers into buying for him. I don't want to throw Frisbee with Tanya and Mike while listening to the ukulele. I'm not interested in hearing about how their son is doing at the Catholic college. I don't want to hear Rdub tell everyone how he never missed Gawd, does everything by the Holy Ghost, can't remember the last time he sinned, and if you need more money, don't be scared to get it from the people!!!
You are done Don! No go clean Kekel's house, shine Rdub's shoes and wash Olson's car. You've been demoted to Private Blogster First Class.
The Chief is out!
Roll Tide!!!
ReplyDeleteChili Cheese Dog Chief Chippy Cheat said...
ReplyDelete"I don't know if that message was from Don or Ange but Don is fired. If Don wrote it he's fired and if Ange wrote it, Don doesn't have "CONTROL" of his wife and Don is still fired."
DnA said:
Aw, Chief. Please don't publicly humiliate me on the blogs like this. That was "inspired" writing, Chief. They say, "If you don't like the message, don't shoot the messenger" or something like that. Anyway, you can't fire us because we weren't voted in. You have to have a blogster meeting and take a vote. This is too big of a decision for you to make by yourself.
They also say, "Don't make a big decision in the heat of the battle". Think about it and pray about it. This might be one of those instances that warrants a double standard. You know, Chief, God does change His mind from time to time. Just like He did on raising children in dresses and no shorts. Well maybe that was just an "exception to policy", it seems a little harsh to be calling it a double standard.
Maybe the bible is like our constitution, (according to some people), in that it is a living and breathing document that was outdated and meant to be changed with the times. Our forefathers really didn't mean that we were supposed to have freedom of religion, they just meant that if our religion didn't offend anyone we could be free to worship anyway we wanted to. Our forefathers escaped religious oppression and wrote some very good documents that empowered us citizens with unalienable rights.
Well, the ntcc has taken their freedom of religion to the extreme and used it to recruit as many suckers as they could find. They are protected by our government, and allowed to use God as a vehicle to get rich and have lots of power and oppress people.
I was using the ntcc jargon and weasel words to show how they justify what they do and when you are a member and have all your eggs in one basket, it's easy to believe the cult jargon. So please take all of this into consideration Chili Cha Chiefster, before you fire me.
As for not having control of my wife; you got me dead to rights on that one. Because I have no control, nor do I desire to control another human being. She is going to do what she wants to anyway, so there is no reason for me to try to control her. Actually, I'm in her amen corner. The only controlling that goes on in our household takes place when we fight over who gets to control the remote for the devil vision. I have the controls on Sunday or when there is an NFL game on. Last night we watched a chick flick on the Hallmark channel. Okay, I'll admit that I fell asleep but I tried my best. I like not having control, it's one less thing to stress over.
DnA
Chief said:
ReplyDelete"Roll Tide".
DnA said:
Go Broncos!