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| Investigative reporting by Ramtha Man. |
To anyone interested,
Bruce Smith is a print reporter, who wrote a 5-part series on NTCC. See the below links:
Here is the link to a follow up article he did in 2011:
http://themountainnewswa.net/2011/09/19/the-new-testament-christian-church-of-graham-an-overview-2/
(OVERVIEW/PART 6…w/comments)
In investigating for this series, he was interested in both sides (pro and con). He said I could post his contact information here (or anywhere else). Anonymity was guaranteed if requested.
Bruce A. Smith
Graham reporter
The Dispatch
www.dispatchnews.com
Eatonville, WA
(360) 832-6248
BruceSmith@rainierconnect.com
You can still be a part. Give him a call, and/or post a comment in the comments section below any of his articles.
Here are the links:
PART 1 (A look within the "church behind the fence"):
http://dispatchnews.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=2556&SectionID=6&SubSectionID=6&S=1 (PART 1…w/comments)
http://dispatchnews.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=2556&SectionID=6&SubSectionID=6&S=1 (PART 1…w/comments)
PART 2 (Life and worship in the New Testament Christian Church):
http://dispatchnews.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?TypeID=1&ArticleID=2569&SectionID=6&SubSectionID=6&Page=2 (PART 2…w/comments)
http://dispatchnews.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?TypeID=1&ArticleID=2569&SectionID=6&SubSectionID=6&Page=2 (PART 2…w/comments)
PART 3 (Is the NTCC a cult? Former members speak out.):
http://dispatchnews.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?SectionID=6&subsectionID=6&articleID=2578 (PART 3…w/comments)
http://dispatchnews.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?SectionID=6&subsectionID=6&articleID=2578 (PART 3…w/comments)
PART 4 (A deeper look into NTCC - Following the Money):
http://dispatchnews.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?SectionID=6&subsectionID=6&articleID=2590 (PART 4…w/comments)
http://dispatchnews.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?SectionID=6&subsectionID=6&articleID=2590 (PART 4…w/comments)
PART 5 (A deeper look: Sexual and Marital Relationships in the NTCC):
http://dispatchnews.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?SectionID=6&subsectionID=6&articleID=2607 (PART 5…w/comments)
http://dispatchnews.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?SectionID=6&subsectionID=6&articleID=2607 (PART 5…w/comments)
Enjoy,
Gregory
105 comments:
Outstanding! Just sent him an e-mail!
Former Graham Lay Pastor
Hmm... I wonder if the other side will write that we are just disgruntled and bitter. We will see how that excuse flies in the face of the American public!
Anon!
Does Tracy or someone know what the "M" in Tanya M. Kekel on the land deal paperwork stands for?
Just Wondering
Excellent, Excellent Excellent!!!!!
LOVE IT! Already wrote to him and have been contacted back!!
CM
Just Wondering,
The "M" stands for Maxamillia.
Gregory
I talked with him for about 2 hours last week. In addition to a few back and forth emails. Nice guy, very personable. He has never been involved with NTCC, so has no personal 'axe' to grind.
He wants a well researched story, so I only gave him contact information of people who're still 'in', in addition to answering his questions.
'Exers' can contact him on their own.
Gregory
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hmm... I wonder if the other side will write that we are just disgruntled and bitter. We will see how that excuse flies in the face of the American public!
Anon!
In every Denomination I feel quite certain that there are people who are disgruntled and bitter. But in the case of NTCC there are more "X-Members" than there are current members.
I'm interested to see how this plays out. All I can say is that this is OUR chance to tell the world about NTCC.
I doubt if this will be the "Knockout" blow. But hopefully this will at least get the ball rolling in the right direction.
All many of us ever really wanted was a little closure.Just a little understanding. Just SOMEONE from the Organization to listen to us and at least TRY and understand where we were coming from and how hard things were for us too.
May God's will be done!!!!
"I gave him info. on people that are still "in"
You mean that you gave information on the board members or people that are "in" and want "out" or what are you trying to say? Why can't the reporter do his job and go himself to the headquarters to find out for himself, why do you have to give him such info. it looks bias already. Please explain.
Maybe you still have the newspaper article when the big church in graham was opened,they printed an article with a photo to boot, inside the holy place, kinson,curry,jordan,kekel were all just smiling in the picture. This newspaper was able to contact the head honchos.
I'm sure this new reporter is going to be granted the same consideration. Ntcc doesn't have anything to hide? do they?
I'm not trying to cause any problems I'm just trying to understand your comment. Thank you
xo
The "M" stands for Maxamillia.
You kidding? Please?
Anonymous said I wrote..."I gave him info. on people that are still "in"
Not sure why you misquoted me. No problem, really. Here it is again..."He wants a well researched story, so I only gave him contact information of people who're still 'in', in addition to answering his questions."
'Only' and 'contact' are key elements in my referenced comment. Bruce has to talk to Graham to get their side. I don't speak for Graham. I am personally confident he will do his due diligence.
Gregory
Oh, I neglected to mention I gave him links to all the sites most relevant to NTCC, both pro and con.
Gregory
Maxamillia is correct. I have seen the documentation.
Gregory
Thanks Gregory. Didn't mean to sound as if I doubted your info. Just thought it was a wee bit unusual. I've seen some documentation too that explains the unusual nature of that name. Now I know it was true what I read about Tanya M. on Tracy's blog. Very interesting.
We thought it strange they kept the bathrooms in the tabernacle on the campground secret.
Keeping this even bigger secret about Tanya is something amazing.
I wonder if she found out from Tracy's blog or if she already knew?
Tanya 'knows' only what she has been told...
Gregory
ntcc has nothing to hide.
Similar to when any suprise inspection happens. ntcc has folks so controlled,so brainwashed. Nobody would dare tell the truth when reporters are around.
This reporter is going to come up against the samething. since leaving ntcc have watched specials on other cults. these people(members) will say anything to cover up what is actually going on.
I do hope that this will uncover ntcc and expose them. print a article and then other bigger newspapers will pick it up. And run it as well.
CM
Tanya likes her PROTECTED life. Where everything is done for her. Surprised she did not have a surrogate mother. So she could get out of having to give birth! no joke!
I once went to her for advice. She said she would get back with me. She had to go and ask Daddy. She does nothing on her own. Ask Daddy or big daddy Mike first!
Money is doled out to her. she can shop till she drops. Drive in fancy cars,and take her son to a high priced private school.
Why should she care that she has no voice in her life! She is taken care of like some southern belle!
CM
Just Wondering,
I didn't think you doubted me (even if you did, no problem...we shouldn't just believe everything we read), only that you may have thought I was kidding. After all, we do get sarcastic, and joke around.
Gregory
In the seminary she told her students that her name came from an old prophetess that her parents knew.
We'll see if this reporter is worth his ink bottle.
I doubt very seriously if he can really get to the core of what is going on.
Who knows, this can just be the beginning of rwd's dream where he was hiding with just a few of the board members.
=D
Like to hear more about that dream.
Maybe rdub "knew" her biblically ...
Wonder what the DNA would say? Lots of trips to the PI without the wife. Maybe tanya is his daughter; but she ain't verna's.
The URL link to the name Just Wondering brings up a web page for an adoptee named Tanya Reynolds with the maiden name Tanya Maxamillia Kekel. Interesting.
Just Wondering:
Why the incorrect maiden name? Kekel is your married name, Davis or Reynolds is your maiden name.
Why did R. W. Davis tell other people "children are a hinderance to the work of the Lord"? Why did R. W. Davis go out of his way to adopt a girl from the Philippines?
Did his wife Verna nag him or threaten to leave him if he did not adopt a child for her?
Were you his daughter through an illicit relationship with Mrs. Reynolds? Was Mrs. Elisabeth Haynes Reynolds his wife before he married Verna? Or are you not his birth daughter?
Why would a man who adopted a girl in the Philippines where he was supposedly building a work for God spend years ruining families and causing divorces and heartaches by telling men to get vasectomies so they don't, in R. W. Davis's words, "hinder the work of God by having children"?
Can you see the selfish hypocrisy?
Just Wondering
Here it is again:
http://registry.adoption.com/records/91758.html
Did you know Tanya Davis Kekel was adopted from the Philippines?
Just Wondering:
Why was this kept secret?
Why the vasectomy policy?
Why say "it's different when it's your own kid" when that kid really wasn't your own? Or was she?
Why adopt if children are a hinderance to the work of the Lord?
Why serve Davis who is a liar and a hypocrite?
You people are sick! Look at what you've become what a sad pathetic lot.
Just Wondering,
I have known about this link for many years, and did some research some years ago. Just never commented on it
There has never been an Ambassador to the Philippines (from any country) named Elizabeth Haynes Reynolds. Not from the US, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Ireland, England, South Africa, Wales, etc.
Although, If someone could point out an Ambassador by this name I would appreciate it.
This is part of the reason I wrote "Tanya 'knows' only what she has been told..."
Gregory
Maybe Ms. Reynolds worked:
as a maid at The Ambassador (hotel?)... Or
as a cook at The Ambassador (restaurant?).... Or
as a ahem at The Ambassador (brothel?) ...
You know how the NTCC likes to spin everything...
Why are the height, eye and hair color fields left blank?
Why was the maiden (unmarried) name listed as Kekel?
The name Davis does not appear on this form; does it? Why not?
Why does Tanya list her religion as "Unknown"?
Why is the race listed as "None"?
Why is only the first name of her spouse listed in the spouse's name block?
Seems dishonest and deceitful. How can one hope to get a reunion with false information?
Just Wondering
http://registry.adoption.com/records/91758.html
You people are sick! Look at what you've become what a sad pathetic lot
Hey ANON,I bet you have Never searched out for the TRUTH. On how ntcc was even formed. Tanya's true parents? She is of Asian decent. can see it in her feature's!
Many like you want to hide behind,oh you guys are just pathetic and sad. No sir,we are not sad or pathetic. We want the TRUTH. And researching is the only way that will happen. Keeping your headin the clouded fog that your in,as many of us used to be. Gets you NO where. But stuck in ntcc,going no where. But lining there pockets,and taking care of the Mansion and real estate for ntcc!
Funny,when your in ntcc your outlook is very different when you come out of that brainwashing fog. Everything is very clear,we can think for ourselve's,we are not filled with the same ole' jargon.
God really opens our hearts and our minds!
CM
And research is only as good as the source. Your sources are biased and corrupted, prejudicial, and unreliable... so how can anyone listen to what they have to say?
Anonymous said...
And research is only as good as the source. Your sources are biased and corrupted, prejudicial, and unreliable... so how can anyone listen to what they have to say?
............
This anonymous poster sounds immature and upset, as if they have a personal ax to grind. They are using big words; but as usual with the ntcc, there is no truth or substance to what they say.
Prove your allegations.
http://registry.adoption.com/records/91758.html
There is the link proving Tanya Davis Kekel was adopted in the Philippines.
These blogs prove what ex-ntcc folks have been saying about the abuse and lies in ntcc.
Anonymous, you in the ntcc have "sources" which "are biased and corrupted, prejudicial, and unreliable..." who routinely pump out loads of false information from the pulpits, "unaccountable, unhindered, and unstoppable" as MK plagiarized when he posted on Jeff's blog without attributing credit to the original author of those words, Richard Abanes.
Your borg originated in Missouri, so when you come here trying to accuse people, back it up with proof; or, as they love to say in Missouri, SHOW ME!
Otherwise keep your snotty comments to yourself. Or get your granny to wipe your nose for you. Or your hindquarters. Whatever suits you.
Put up or shut up. But do look up the web site given as proof of Tanya's descent. Then try something new: THINK!
Davis is a liar. He has lied to people and ruined their lives with his vasectomy policy. And all after he ADOPTED TANYA. Hypocrite.
That's proof. Let's see what you've got. ... Do I hear the crickets chirping, as CM alluded to in one post. Meaning you've got nothing to back what you say.
Typical of ntcc BOMBASTIC RHETORIC. Get a dictionary and look up the meaning of those words. I want you to understand what you are. And what Davis is. Hurts, doesn't it?
But Jesus said the truth will make you free. Think about it. Don't just make accusations little one. Grow up. Or remain a snot-nose.
I guarantee you cut your teeth on an ntcc pew and feel some sense of privilege and entitlement. You expect others to cow and bow before your inflated words and pride. Get a life. Try that drivel out in the world. You will receive a different response than what you think you deserve! But probably the response the world would give you ( a punch in that big mouth ) would be what you deserve. The world has no desire to play wet-nurse to spoiled religious brats with big mouths and nothing to back up what they say.
I dare ya. Try it. Unless you're chicken. Bock, bock, bock.
Hate to come down to your insolent provocative level; but the bible teaches to answer a fool according to his folly. So there you have it.
Tanya likes her PROTECTED life. Where everything is done for her. Surprised she did not have a surrogate mother. So she could get out of having to give birth! no joke!
I once went to her for advice. She said she would get back with me. She had to go and ask Daddy. She does nothing on her own. Ask Daddy or big daddy Mike first!
Money is doled out to her. she can shop till she drops. Drive in fancy cars,and take her son to a high priced private school.
Why should she care that she has no voice in her life! She is taken care of like some southern belle!
CM
Remarks regarding: Tanya Kekel
I know someone who was like her in many, many ways. First of all, I don't know the woman. I know what I've heard about her both pro and con. I also, as I had indicated in this post know someone who is kinda sorta like her in many aspects. If everything I keep hearing about her is true, as well as consistent (which at least on the surface seems to be that way) I see someone who is just superficial at best with no “real life” experience with life in general and all she has is “Head knowledge” and nothing that really amounts to any kind of realness in life.
Everything that she has ever wanted from the time she was little until now has been provided for her. She has “housemaids” at her beckon call 24/7 around-the-clock. She doesn't have to make any decisions on her own and her whole life has been supervised/ overseen by someone else. It reminds me about what I read concerning Czar Nicholas of Russia and the royal family. Everything is upper strata. No struggles, no wants, no needs, No worries about money and all kinds of power. 95% of everything that she wants is hers. The only thing I suppose she really has to has to do from time to time is have sex. But MCK Is getting older, So in the next 10 years or less she probably won't even have to do that.
Oh, don't get me wrong. She looks “Good” on paper no doubt about it. But I've seen this kind of thing time and time again. RWD didn't do her any justice at all because she hasn't really experienced the other side of life that nobody wants to talk about at NTCC. Struggles, disappointments, failures, not getting your way about things, are all part of life!
I guess what I'm trying to say, and summing this up is I see a lady who is superficial at best and outright phony at worst without any kind of roots at all and the first “strong winds/storms” that comes along she will be uprooted and she'll look around, shake her head, And will probably never know the reason why she was rooted up. But I guarantee you, she will not be able to handle it.
Just my opinion.
I talked to someone a few years ago who has know RWD since 1962 and is still a current member of the PCG. We talked at length about Tanya and he gave me his opinion about what he thinks happened and how it happened. Interesting Gentleman.
Maybe Elisabeth Haynes Reynolds was only Elisabeth Haynes when she was an ambassador. Maybe she was an ambassador FROM the Philippines, not TO the Philippines. Maybe she was an ambassador FROM a church or TO a tribe. Occupation ambassador is ambiguous in true ntcc style. Yes, she was the ambiguous ambassadoress.
I think what's funny is that her mother's race is put as unknown. She proclaimed herself to be Mexian during a conferance I believe. I wasn't there, but my mom told me about it. And I wonder why she didn't put her religion? lol
I talked to the reporter guy. He says he might just turn this into a series of articles. He also said he's supposed to be talking to Mike Kekel today. Whoohoo!!!! I'm so excited to see this article.
Mark G wrote:
"I talked to the gentleman that knew rwd since 1962"
What did he say? Would be pretty interesting to know what the side of this gentleman's story is.
And to Jennifer: I was also in that conference when rwd made his daughter stand up and scream to all that she was a mexican.
Everybody was just like what, what is going on? I guess it was just a joke on somebody because they had come to tk and asked her point blank what nationality she was and when rwd found out about this he made a joke about it, I guess telling her that whenever somebody asks her about it she can say anything she wants to say, in other words "not of your business"
blovd
On the second page of comments from "The Vasectomy Policy Effects" aricle Tracy left a YouTube address.
When I tried copying and pasting it, I got a message, "Page not found." So I did a search and got this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK8KjVbHO9c
I noticed it had the word:
AMBASSADOR in the title and thought that was a coincidence. Or was it? Hmmnnn.
Here's the one Tracy had referenced:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrLizclY8nU
PUBLIC SERVICE WARNING:
Parents, don't let your children "chew" tobacco! This could be the result!
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Hi Deborah,
Just wanted to say I watched the movie Precious the other night. Very difficult to watch, but the one thing I really liked about it was... when the girl finally broke down and cried and said she had no voice... her teacher pushed her journal in front of her and said yes you do.
Write.
I don't know how much good a small reporter from Eatonville can do about any of this... but it does help everyone to write.
Some folks may ask, "what business is it of ours to investigate or question Tanya's birth origins or RWDs involvement with Tanya's conception"?
Answer: When you live in a glass house you better be careful not to throw stones. RWD and MCK have picked apart and exposed folks lives for years ruthlessly for their own selfish reasons. Don't think it strange because folks have decided to pick apart their lives. That's what happens to overly judgmental and abusive hypocrites.
The NTCC leadership drew first blood when they used the pulpit to hammer everyone for the very same deeds that the Kekels have been involved with and RWD has been enabling all along.
As I've said before; this is our pulpit. The NTCC leaders continue to abuse folks and we continue to expose them and their crooked double standard deeds.
Jeff
Funny,when your in ntcc your outlook is very different when you come out of that brainwashing fog. Everything is very clear,we can think for ourselve's,we are not filled with the same ole' jargon.
God really opens our hearts and our minds!
CM
March 25, 2010 1:27 PM
Uh-hunh! Go Ahead with Your Bad Self! Preach! =D
Wow this kind of behavior is sick. It saddens me to hear what is going on behind the scenes of the what is considered the "places of worship". This is not of GOD.
Shame on NTCC. My sister while growing into her teens developed problems with authority and was sent to MO. to live there to see if she would straighten out. She lived with my cousins who attended the bible school there. When I wrote to my sister her mail was opened and read by someone else. They didn't want outside distractions. When she didn't conform she was ostracized. People from the church were told not to speak to her. She was a teenager for God's sake. She was sent home after three months. Lucky for her, she could have become one of the robots. Also this sounds alot like the HBO show "Big Love" where they have a cult on the compound.
Judith K.
p.s. Keep up the good work. Cults need to be exposed and brought out into the light.
I don't know how much good a small reporter from Eatonville can do about any of this... but it does help everyone to write.
I was Praying about this very thing just last night. The world's largest and longest River systems all have one thing is common, and that is the fact that they have Tributaries that feed it as it goes downstream. As I said earlier, I don't expect this to be a "Knockout Punch" and I'm sure old smooth talking Kekel will very possibly be able to get past this. But hopefully the next step will be possibly a local TV station maybe picking up on the story.
I'm not even going to try to hide the animosity that I feel towards this Organization. I know that the Money that I gave there, as well as the time and all of the Emotional upheaval that I have experienced, Well, I know that it is lost forever. But......If I can warn others to stay away from this group then I'll feel as though I've done my job in some small,small way.
I wonder if Elizabeth Haynes Reynolds was a missionary and/or wife of a missionary with the PCG....
It seems that missionary could be defined as "ambassador"
Judith K,
Thanks for your post. It means so much to us to know that others have seen the abuse and are willing to speak out against it!
What your sister went through was shameful. But you are right to thank God for getting her out of ntcc, even under such distressful circumstances. She would have suffered even more had she continued in the borg.
I didn't think ntcc's shameful practices could surprise me any more. But this thing where they opened someone else's mail is so very disturbing.
Something similar happened to me. I was in the Graham Bible School and got summoned to the office or something because a vehicle that I had sold was involved in an accident. The whole situation was strange. I know I was innocent, but there is always that paranoid ntcc cloud of suspicion; they are always ready to pounce on you and flay you. They readily assume the worst about you, never defend you. But they demand your utmost trust and respect of them. Double standard hypocrisy mixed with devilish paranoia and law breaking opening of other peoples' mail.
Yup. Come to think of it, that does sound like the ntcc.
Ange
One of the most disturbing things I saw in ntcc was of a teenage girl engaged. She had been sent to live with her father (who was a neighbor of ours and a licensed preacher) because her "sinner" mother's boyfriend was supposedly mistreating her.
So she ends up in Puyallup a regular teenage girl who must immediatley conform to nttc dress and behavior standards. Watching this process was troubling. The most troubling of all was when she became engaged at either 16 or 17 to one of the young men in the seminary. Complete with a diamond ring on her finger.
It seemed I was the only one who thought this was outrageous! Her dad was in approval of it and it blew my mind! Thankfully the engagement was broken off, but this girl had been forced to change mentally and she was no longer even willing to go to college or get a job.
Life's meaning to her had become only about getting married, having babies, and cleaning.
That was sad to watch. Unfortunately I know her dad and stepmom are still in and I don't know how her future turned out.
Deborah and Greg,
I've had this on my mind for awhile... often while in ntcc it was frowned on and seen as a sign of weakness to speak of anything that wasn't pleasant, that was stressful, or difficult to experience.
Life has good and bad and ups and downs and no one should ever judge you because the unfortuante events that happened were negative. Everyone needs to express their thoughts, process it, talk, good or bad and be allowed to FEEL.
On the other side of that, a healthy life is about balance and I think you both understand that, but for others I've met over the years it is unfortunate that they lose that healthy balance and life becomes tilted to the side of never speaking of things or tilted to the side of only speaking of ntcc.
I really hope people who are struggling or who have cut off friends and isolated themselves will seek help, a doctor, a counselor, whatever it takes to regain that healthy balance.
Just speaking out of concern.
Nicole,
This may be one of the biggest things that I rejoice about! We got out of ntcc when our DD was pretween. Not developing,just being a kid.
We all can remember the preteen and teenage girls prancing around. Flaunting themselve's. Which was encoruaged by there parents! Put dresses on them,that belonged on there Mother's,killer heels,old lady purse's. Do there hair up nice as they can. To look good to intice a man to get them married off.
I used to worry about that all the time while stuck in the cult. I told my husband I was not dressing our DD in dresses that were not for her age.
When she was little,we made sure she wore dresses that were cute,pretty and for her age . And they FIT HER. Not baggy,extra long!
Funny thing now that we are letting her make choice's on her own. Cloths,ect. She is making more good decisions then bad. You can weak teenage cloths and not look like a HO!
She is school. And will graduate and go onto college or the military. HER CHOICE!!
CM
As I'm reading the posts about TK's parentage, I'm reminded of the time I asked a pastor's wife about Tanya's eyes and how she looked somewhat Asian. She was "Johnny on the spot" with her learned answer: "Sis. Kekel looks like them both. She looks like pastor (RWD) when he was young and she has Sis. Davis' eyes. If you see her with her glasses off, you'll see they have the same eyes."
I didn't buy it then and certainly don't buy it now. V. Davis' eyes without her glasses probably looks like any older woman who has worn glasses for most of her adult life: squinted and wrinkled.
We just need to start back taking our stupid pills and believe that Tanya is who RWD says she is.
G. Olive
Who were Lena L. Limpert and C. L. Barnes?
Yay! Nicole! Glad you're back. Here's the thing Nicole. If you are on the board, you can say what you want about who or what you want, and that's fine.
But if you are a worker or minister who is not part of the "in" crowd, what you say is likely to be judged very harshly.
For example:
A board member's wife can frown and say she doesn't like the cold rainy weather. She will be given a new coat and umbrella, even though the board members enjoy valet parking privileges. And she will be praised for having the fortitude to sacrifice and endure such harsh circumstances.
A worker's or minister's wife who says the same thing is labeled a complainer or murmurer. She will be told if she doesn't like it there's the door. She should be glad and thankful that God doesn't send her to live in Alaska. Or that her complaining could land her in the Desert.
It's all about who you are in ntcc.
If you ain't family (davis or kekel), you ain't %$#*
It's all about who you are in ntcc.
Why Russ Mear's son, Ed, couldn't play sports in school!!! That could lead him away from the org, uh, I mean God.
But Grant Kekel can and does enjoy playing sports in his private academy ($$$).
What kind of a difference would it have made in Ed's life if he had been the star pitcher on the baseball team instead of an outcast never allowed to have friends over to his house or play sports or swim in the ponds at the camp or . . .
What about Ed's parents Russ and Jan?
Sitting at the camp with no tv, no vcr, no vacation, no money, for years no internet, no friends, nobody to relieve them day after day, week after week, year after year.
I like the sound of crickets... sometimes. But then what?
I'm surprised davis didn't pull their library card privileges too. Guess ole rdub got sloppy and forgot that. He certainly kept 'em poor enough that making it to town often enough to buy a paper was not really a practical option for staying informed.
And if you can't afford the gas money to go to town, forget about doctors and dentists. How many years did Jan have to go in pain because she couldn't go to a dentitst. She had a cavity and the nerve was exposed. Man that hurts. Does davis care? Nope. You think kekel will care? Nope.
kekel will make fun of you for having yellow teeth. Lost count of the number of times he "preached" about that. It's so funny too. What with him signing that excuse of a paycheck!
And davis did make fun of Russ, saying, "That fella's got as much fire as a firefly."
Meanwhile Russ could've been making $30 plus an hour doing welding... Would have had a nice retirement / pension too.
And I love, love, love the story of how davis ordered (and you know how that went *%#*) yup, ordered Jan to NEVER again use a vacuum with a roller (upright vac) because ONE TIME a thread from the cheap indoor / outdoor carpet in their house got caught in her vac and caused a 'run' in the carpet.
Oh me oh my! Jan, you've committed the UNPARDONABLE SIN! ntcc might have to spend some money 20 years from now when they decide to replace that CHEAP carpet...
But remember, says rdub,
I APPRECIATE YOU. . .
Really? Never heard it called THAT before.
OH, but I know, rdub rescued you, right? One time. FORTY YEARS AGO?
ahem... he didn't do you any favor!
And THAT DEBT's been PAID many times over (if it even was a debt to begin with).
rdub makes me want to puke. Big ugly chunks on his cheap indoor / outdoor carpet.
the Carpet is more important than the woman.
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I like your new site map. They say they don't read these blogs? The heaviest concentration of hits comes from Washington State!
I like your new site map. They say they don't read these blogs? The heaviest concentration of hits comes from Washington State!
Isn't THAT Interesting!!
They don't call it "Clustr Map" for nothing...
"Who were Lena L. Limpert and C. L. Barnes?"
C.L. Barnes was a missionary who worked with RW in the Philippines and was killed in a bus accident. I think Lena Limpert was another missionary he knew overseas.
Wow that is a pretty nice map. This blog is getting taken to whole new level. I'm glad because the word needs to get out.
Jeff
"Friend of Mears" sure did tell it like it is. That is the NTCC leadership in a nutshell. They could care less. Broke with a messed up tooth and all they are worried about is some sorry carpet.
It makes me sick that I was ever involved with that crooked church. If I'd only have know all the stuff that went on behind the NTCCs closed doors. I wouldn't have spent one hour or one dime on the NTCC. The sad part is that Kekel and RWD laugh all the way to the bank and there ain't jack that anyone has been able to do about it.
There are crooked prosperity preaching churches popping up all over the United States and the NTCC is just another example but in my opinion even more diabolical and wicked.
You really don't realize just how brain washed you were until you get out and away from those NTCC manipulators and then the light hits you in the face like a nuclear bomb.
These blogs sure make a good wake-up call. Get out folks while you still some of your life left because it will be a sad day when you are 60 or 70 and realize that you've been took for the last 40 or 50 years because you can't ever get those years back.
Think about it.
Jeff
Why were we all so bamboozled?
The Dispatch News, Eatonville, WA newspaper article on ntcc is available online now.
They have a comment box.
=D
We were bamboozled because many of us were away from home. Had a desire to go to Church. I know for me,had never been to a Church besides back home. Had no idea how to find a good Church. So here comes the funky soul-winners. Give you a card. Bring up,homecooked meals,bible studies,fellowship. You get out of the barracks,eat some good cooking,visit in a real home.
Mike K. said it write in that newspaper article. They do TARGET lONLEY people. If there wasn't something lacking. I don't think we would have gotten involved with ntcc.
Look at how many have come and gone through a ntcc door. And they DO NOT stay. They can see through the fake niceness oozing off them. They leave and leave FAST!
Some had a desire to serve God,do something in Gods work. Thinking God is calling us to work in his vineyard in ntcc. We got stuck!
Slowly the brainwashing begins! Then you think I can't leave ntcc or I am leaving God. If I leave will God be angry with me?
No folks,God is rejoicing when we leave ntcc the cult. He is happy we are now able to listen to HIM and not allow a man to control our choices in life!
CM
Love is blind. ntcc used your love for the Lord to get you to do whatever they wanted. From shining their shoes to scrubbing their toilets, you did it all.
They told you if you left ntcc you were leaving God. That's a lie. ntcc is not God.
They took your good fear of God and twisted it into a bad fear of man. They did it so they could use you. And they did. When they were done using you, they threw you away.
ntcc is devilish in its treatment of the people who put the food on their tables. While they eat "high on the hog" you beg for scraps at the gate.
Don't worry. Payday is coming. The beggar Lazarus didn't get anything from the rich man in this world.
But tonight they are both in eternal roles, the rich man begging for deliverance from hell, and Lazarus, no longer a beggar, in paradise.
Not all judgments come in this world.
Just keep your heart on Jesus as your friend and God. For He wants to be both.
That is the good love. Love of God upward from you to God; accepted in the Beloved downward from God to you. Or even better, seated together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus; there is a real peace in that.
If the peace is gone, ask God to help with that. Ask Him to restore a Real relationship with Him. He can cut through and remove the noise and evil that tries to separate you from Him.
Just take a quiet moment to think about Him, only Him.
When we die, we all will see Him. Some for joy. Others for sorrow. At that moment nothing else will matter. It's good now to consider it. How will I see God? Happy that I let Him take away my sin? Or fearful because I wanted sin more than God?
ntcc may continue for a long time. But we all have to stand or fall before God one day.
Yes, we warn others and do what we can. The rest we leave with the Lord. And we take time to just be with Jesus. He is what really matters.
Vic,
Thanks for the info.
I have one sermon on tape of C.L. Barnes- he would be horrified at the wealth of the current 2 leaders! as compared to the poverty of the average missionary in NTCC. Anyone want me to digitize any sermons from the old days - let me know!
double-D,
Thanks for the insight about C. L. Barnes. When R.W. was talking about C.L.'s death, rdub said the Filipinos wanted to put this epitaph on his grave: "He loved the Filipinos." but rdub said they should put "He Loved God."
Rdub shared how he, rdub, had wanted to so some type of ministry with Barnes, but Barnes didn't want him.
I immediately got the impression that Barnes saw him as having a selfish agenda, not really doing the ministry "as unto the Lord" and that was why Barnes didn't want Davis along... You know what I mean by impressions, the Holy Ghost's Still Small Voice. Big smile... Just like your inner whisper at the piano that you would not be with the ntcc...
we can choose to heed that voice or suffer the consequences.
When I learned of Barnes death I immediately felt he had run his race and finished his course. He is doubtless rejoicing in heaven at this very moment!
LET THE SMEAR CAMPAIGN BEGIN
...apparently Mr. Kekel is saying disparaging comments about The Dispatch News reporter, Mr. Bruce Smith, who wrote an neutral article regarding the NTCC. This can only be seen as Mr. Kekel's desperate attempt to discredit Mr. Smith for only doing his job. Perhaps Mr. Kekel will also go after Mr. Smith's family? And
"your little dog too!"
It has taken me a very long time to come to terms with much of what had occurred to me and my children not withstanding what we had witnessed while we were 'in' the 'organization' aka NTCC. Let me say here that I want, nay, need to add my name to the long list of ex'ntcc persons who have given their testimony as an account of the fact that most of what is said regarding the experience is true...sad but true. I wish I wasn't here. I wish I could have spared my children the mental distress and disillusionment which has taken years to work through. No counselor would believe what I allowed our lives to come to while we were 'in'. I am soon without regret as time is a great healer and life a great equalizer. This is good that this article is being written. To bad if the truth hurts...at least there is healing for us after the pain. And..thank God I am no longer 'in' but that the real truth is 'OUT'
Take care all...Raquel Harris aka Hughitt. petromana@yahoo.com
Raquel Harris aka Hughitt. petromana@yahoo.com
Welcome.
Wish you were spared the pain of ntcc. But glad you posted!
Angela
BTW You're a good writer!
Deborah and Greg, I must add a post-edit to my previous comment to which I apologize but feel it pertinent to add since there are so many who obviously read your blog (as my friend-requests have tripled since posting here will attribute.) *phewww, wipes brow* Seriously, I want to not so much edit but to make sure I am completely understood in the simplest of terms. So, what will follow in quotes will have a post-comment and not so much edit; "...need to add my name to the long list of ex'ntcc persons who have given their testimony as an account of the fact that MOST of what is said regarding the experience is true...sad but true." The ONLY reason I said "MOST" is simply for the fact that I was not there during either the years that were shared and or I was not (apparently) privileged to the abuse that they were afforded.(Yes, the tongue is firmly placed...somewhere. I was a very small fish.). I am no way saying that their testimonies are invalid or untrue, only that I was not privy to them. However...with that being said...you better believe that I can testify to many of the accounts witnessed. Umm, that's it. Thank you. :)
Raquel Harris (aka Hughitt)
Wow, now kekel is talking about April, myself, Greg and Deb on his blog. Saying evil communication corrupts good manners.
Saying they should clean up their friends lists.
Well that explains why my fb friends list went from 115 tuesday to 108 today. May lose even more. But then, were they really my friends anyway?
Greg and Deb,
the heat is coming maybe.
I've got your back and April's too.
I will defend you.
What you have posted to this blog has helped my healing process more than you know -- John's too.
kekel is posting about bruce too in order to discredit him.
sad it is.
i will defend bruce too.
Well, greed knows no boundaries.
Selfishness knows no loyalty.
49 years combined sacrifice and service (plus Rick's tenure) are discounted and discarded by the whirlwind.
kekel knows he can not defend his own preposterous behavior, so he once again stoops to personal bashing and attempted character assassination. And purporting to pray for Rick, ridiculous.
Did ntcc try to reach out to and try to restore Rick when he left?
Did they apologize for their lies and attacks on you, like davis attacked you when you went to him for help on the vasectomy RULE.
I won't lie and call it a policy.
And I'm not saying you were lying; I understand the whole tongue-in-cheek style with which you write; using ntcc's own ludicrous word to delineate their deception.
We all know better.
And please forgive me if I am being verbose. I guess I just got tired of "dumbing down" so as not to offend some insecure megalomaniac like verna and kekel who would use anything that is too difficult for them to understand as an excuse to bash someone for "being proud"; when in all actuality, they are the ones who are so proud they are afraid to admit there are others in the world who have gifts that differ from their own. A secure Christian would welcome such diversity and aspire to be more; but these fearful unbelieving hypocrites see anyone who thinks differently as a threat. They remind me of those who burned geniuses at the stake for "heresy".
The truth is still the truth.
olson can lie to himself all he wants about ordering missionaries to lie to visa offices and say they are tourists; olson can deceive himself and say "That's just a formality." olson can even lie to the Holy Ghost. But olson's lies won't fool the Holy Ghost!
And kekel's lies won't fool me!
Keep lying, boys. It makes it easier for us to not feel bad about the coming judgment. After all, no lie is of the truth. And since Jesus is the Truth, I'd rather have Jesus!
Angela
So Bruce is being bashed. No tender outreach. Just more fearful hypocritical bashing like the way ntcc "handles" homosexuals -- They are afraid. ntcc's god is not big enough. he is limited. by their fear...
I pray God gives Bruce the grace to withstand these personal attacks. Some men are men. They rise up to meet challenges, rather than slinking behind fences refusing to come into the light for even the smallest encounter like, say, an interview with a reporter.
kekel boasts of granting a two hour interview with all the ntcc doors open. That would be a hoot if it weren't such a damnable lie.
I'm sure kekel and kinson primed every student there not to talk to the reporter other than "Good Morning." etc.
I'm sure once that two-hour interview was over kekel and kinson wanted nothing more to do with Bruce.
I laughed when I read about kekel alluding to a local woman who was (?) something to do with an educational institution and how she immediately said she thought the article was (biased?) -- something to that effect. I laughed and thought, That is a kekel-esque euphemism for verna. He's got to be revising the truth to say that verna said that; but without coming right out and saying verna's name. Now of course this is spe-k-ulation; but. . . Why not name your source? Don't want to be chastised for reporting inaccuracies, do you?
Hootenanny nonsense.
Guess that'll have difrancesco reachin' for the ol' "there's no zoo in zo-ol-ogy" book; but I believe in poetic license.
And I believe in Christ's honesty. Let God be true but every man a liar. Especially "in" the ntcc!
Ange
Did you notice that kekel enabled the anonymous posting feature on his blog?
I'm sure "this too shall pass" as soon as he thinks the heat of public observation is off of him.
What a joke kekel is! He is truly a pathetic shell of what he should be. Sold out to a man named davis and a few bucks, a one-time skinny hottie, now not so muchie, just a little bit heavy, and a perceived power trip. Guess kekel didn't have the walk with God that he boasts of having. If he did, he'd preach the truth, not lies. He'd live the truth, not lies. He'd tell the truth, not lies.
Liar, liar, liar
here comes that lake of fire.
Will he garner a funeral bier?
Or will he "pass" like Jehoahaz (II_Chr. 21v19)?
Time will tell; but judge by what he sells as the truth. It don't look good for him. Lying is sin.
Now you may think I'm being a little harsh here. Then I think you don't know how kekel is. And you didn't read about davis sicking the giz and the liz on a young homeless couple who fled for refuge from madmen. And davis and corporation do all their wickedness 'in the name of the Lord'...
May God serve each of them thus as they have done to others and to the children of others, may God serve their children thus.
Does that make you angry? Why?
Because you know what they are and what they've done and what they gots a-comin' to dem. What a gem.
Their phony piety REEKS in the nostrils of God. He will not be mocked. Their followers will be shocked just like the biblical lovers of Babylon who stand aloof and wonder at the marvelous judgment on that ancient city.
Babylon is fallen, is fallen...
YOUR time's a-comin' n it's gonna be sumpin'. . .
don't want to be near you
don't want to hear you
when you beg for the mercy you so loftily refused to others
"They will NOT be forgiven!"
"What's in YOUR books?!?"
Your mountain
Your mountain
A blood red fountain
That mountain is gonna blow!
This ain't no snow-job, like your uncle billy bob kekel likes to shovel neither. Yous bes' believer. I can soun' al' ignant; like yous like to mock from yar pulpit, but the truth ain't a changin'. Y'all needs to be prayin' But I doubts you'll do it. Just rather try to sue the paper. Make 'em go away and let you tell your lies comforble. But then, that wouldn't be profitable (for your souls), would it? So God sends an exposer to try to get your attention lest you wind up in eternal detention in the hot topic of hell. It's your choice; pray tell? Will you repent or be spent in vain for a morsel of fame? Free moral agency is only free to a point. Eventually there will be a price for those who do their own thing, rejecting the One Who bought them and washed them in His own perfect blood. Crimson flood that is great. But you want to wait and push more lies and more lies...okay. That's your choice. I'm using my voice and every mean, weird or other, to try to reach a one-time brother.
Gotta go; but when I do, I'll know I've dealt with you true. I'm free from your blood.
Mike Kekel said, "He can't keep facts straight, therefore he won't get any more from us."
It's funny how that , when it comes to financial accountability portion of the series concerning NTCC, that the leadership stops the interview.
Why do I inflict more harm upon my psyche by reading kekel's blog?
I want to argue. I want to correct. I want to make it right. I want justice. But I do not have a voice there on that blog. Nothing I say there will pass through the blog moderator's.
I'm nauseous and my chest hurts. Oh why do I read his blog? Is there a glimmer of hope that he will hear, that he will understand, that he will repent?
Will any of them repent? I read all the same defenses, the same mantra being repeated through anonymous comments.
It's ugly, very ugly. I have a voice here. I can vent here. I can say I hurt here. I can say I am angry here.
I can say it's not true what ntcc claims here.
I'm crying out for justice, I'm crying out.
Please justice hear my voice, hear me, my tears are dropping and running and looking for you.....
I just read the bible again -- third day in a row, first real reading of the bible in 2 years. I'm reading the "Today's New International Version" so I don't get old junk competing for brain space as I soak up the word of God again.
So I had a crazy idea --
would all of you lovely people be interested in praying at the same time, I mean scheduling a time that we all agree on to pray about this whole ntcc situation?
Praying that the people who want to leave are lead out by God's hand safely.
Praying that God intervenes and helps to prevent more hurt.
I don't know what all to pray, but I've got my faith back and I know God wants to do something.
I know God loves me. I know God loves you guys too.
So what do you say?
I'm for it, Carly. I am asking the same question too, why would I spend time reading the emptiness of his blog. Always finding a loop hole so that he can finally be put on top of the org.
I am sad for the people that have him in a pedestal thinking that he will be the next prophet so to speak.
My guess is that there are people waiting for rwd exit and then they will choose whom they will serve.
blovd
I like your prayer ideas. But maybe one person per one hour or two hours a day. A prayer blanket.
If we all went by Pacific Time there would be no time zone confusion.
I'm available for 3-4 [P.M. & A.M.]
daily (PACIFIC TIME).
Ange
How am I supposed to enjoy what I read in the post to be honest with you I can only take so much of this junk it makes me sick to my stomach, next week coming out is sex scandals? Isn't that just taking this thing a little too far. All this negative energy flying around gags me. I would rather be simple concerning evil than to dig into all this garbage. God can keep me without knowing all this garbage. The guy from the post is only hearing from the disgruntled people (some have very good reason to be disgruntled)but those being accused can't even share their side of the story.
Anonymous,
Anyone can call Bruce, and both sides have, and he will talk to you.
The leadership in Graham can get their side of the story out, by telling it to Bruce when he shows up each Wednesday for Bible Study, any church services he goes to, on the internet, conferences, fellowship meetings, emails, letters, overseer visits, etc.
How about some full disclosure from the 501 (c) (3) to rise above the suspicion?
I know Rev. Kekel shares Bruce twists things, but Bruce reported they did attack him from the pulpit (we believe this because we have all seen them do this regularly to people), and we all know how vicious NTCC gets (from our own personal experience) in response to the most innocuous things, let alone more serious accusations and questions.
And we also have all experienced NTCC's penchant for telling half truths and fabrications, along with their willingness to allow people to draw inaccurate conclusions based on any incomplete information they do provide.
Gregory
All this negative energy flying around gags me. Anon
"evil filthy" children kekel
"You women are going to have to answer to God for ruining your husband's ministry! Children are a hinderance to the work of the Lord." r.w. davis
"You ni**er. You know what a Pontiac is? A poor old ni**er that thinks it's a cadillac." r.w. davis
"I've never seen a homosexual get saved." r.w. davis
"If you have a mental illness it's because of sin. God is judging you for sin." r.w. davis
"I've never seen a Puerto Rican get saved!" r.w. davis
"I hope I see you in the soup kitchen line when you are 65 years old. I am going to drive by in my cadillac, point at you and laugh!" r.w. davis
Gag some more; maybe it will wake you up to who is negative!
Carly,
What time for the prayer. I am IN!
I agree Belovd. I have got snagged into reading his blog. Just to see what kind of damage control he will spew out next. It is getting sooo sickening. I have to stop reading it.
CM
Agreed prayer for those who want to -- all at the same time --
7:30 pm Saturday Pacific time
Why this time? We can pray God opens the eyes of those in Graham while they are there in church under the influence. Pray for 5 minutes or as long as you like up to 90 minutes. Pray at anytime during this 90 minute period.
Please pray for those that want to leave and don't have the finances to do so. Pray God brings them out safely by his hand. Thanks
Got to thinking today. Not good to look back to the years stuck in ntcc. Those years you were spending with your "real family" that was pushed on us ALL the time. Why go home,this is your family that loves you. Rather be with my brother and sisters in the Lord then my Blood family anyday(ntcc jargon)
What happens,we follow the expected reaction. We distance ourselve's from our family back home. The ones that are Worried about us,when we were in dire need. Who helped us,blood family. Guess who opens us back with open arms. That family that is Just a bunch of sinners(ntcc Jargon)
I remember rw davis telling us that those out in the world was more important to reach then our own family.
And if a person had a burden for a city. And it happened to be near there Blood family. No way was that man and his family going to be near family. They know that if they get around there family to much. That FOG would lift. And begin to see ntcc for there true colors! Can't have that.
I lost my grandfather while in ntcc. And already had tickets to fly home(which was something that RARELY happened) Tickets to fly! I asked Mike K. if I could leave early and then come to the conference. i would have missed two-three weeks of classes. I would have LOST that semester. That money that was spent,the money we barely had would have been lost. So what happened. I called and was made to WAIT all day. I did ger that ONE night off from class. I was not in the shape to be around FAKE SMILERS,FAKE CHRISTIANS. I missed the funeral,time to grieve with family.
And now I look back at those years I missed with elderly family members(13 years). And with my own parents and siblings. That time can not be brought back. Spending time knocking on door after door. That is more important then being with my parents,siblings,aunts and Uncles!!!
Why does ntcc even think they need to put down our blood family. Or try to esteem the ntcc so calloed family above your true family. This ntcc family is the same one that will RAT you out at any chance they get! That same family that will shun you after leaving ntcc,pass on the lie's that Mike starts!!Yeah,that is some kind of family that everyone wants to spend ALL there time with.
No way. Give me my blood family any day over the fake ntcc family anyday! A country song,you know who your friends are. You will find out who your true family is. When you really need help. Are you going to call Mike and look like the Bad "leader" or call your family back home?
Don't Push your family aside. They Love you,worry about you,and want to be there for you.
there NOT the devil. They are not putting down Your Church or Your pastor. They are telling the truth. They can see it for what ntcc is,a controlling church cult. My Mother said that to me back in CA. And I did not listen to her. Guess what,Mom was right. I am just thankful I called her up and said,Mom you were right. She was taken aback,that I admitted I was wrong(stubborn). IF I had listened to her all those years back. Saved me alot of heartache that I know deal with. But I can go on from here. Try and be there for others. And prevent many from walking into a ntcc store front,house,hotel rental room. And getting sucked up into there FAKE love trap!
April Formerly CM
WAMICHFAM@juno.com
I am putting that out for folks that need to talk. Are In our OUT of ntcc. If your still in and looking for a fight(arguement). Guess what You would get that if you come to me. I got my gumption back and my VOICE. All 100% Marine of me!
Ashmore's son guilty of adultery--
Why bring this out? Because ntcc covered it up. Why? Because Ashmore is a long-time board member of ntcc. That's why.
Ashmore's son committed adultery. And his mom's husband, James Ross Ashmore, long-time ntcc board member, abused his NTCC board position and ordered the parents of the deserted wife not to say anything.
Let's break it down.
Helen (Duran) Ashmore, wife of James Ross Ashmore, has two kids : Lorrie (Duran) DiFrancesco (John R.). And Jerry Duran.
Jerry Duran committed adultery with Penny Hampton. They ran off to Denver and got 'married'.
Jerry deserted his wife Christine.
Penny deserted her husband Rich Hampton and their four kids Phillip, Anthony, Christina, and David.
Hardly anyone heard of this huge scandal. Why? NTCC board member James Ross Ashmore gets special privileges.
He abused his board position and ordered the parents of the deserted wife not to speak of Jerry's adultery.
So Linda and Jesus Rodriquez and their deserted daughter Christine were expected to suck it up, shut up, and 'take one for the ntcc team'.
I guess James Ross Ashmore would know people would think he's a hypocrite if a boy raised in his own home in the ntcc ran off from the organization and committed adultery and wanted nothing to do with ntcc.
Ya think? Sure smacks of hypocrisy to me that Ashmore's own son raised in the ntcc wanted nothing to do with them.
And he committed adultery and ran off with a married woman. So they both abandoned their spouses and the kids.
Then Ashmore tried to hide it all by ordering the innocent girl's parents not to speak of it...
And that's just part of this gruesome tale. There's even more ntcc filth to come.
NTCC wants you to follow Ashmore and his own son won't? Get real. Threre's a good reason the guy wanted nothing to do with ntcc!
Angela R
The NTCC likes to cover up that kind of stuff. The Bible asks if a man can't rule his family how can he take care of a church? 1 Tim 3:5. The NTCC has thrown that one around for years. Same scripture has been used to deny people secular college participation. If you cant get your family to attend the Seminary, how are you supposed to take care of a church? Davis has said that all along.
If Ashmores son who Ashmore raised in his own house is running off with other women in the church, how is Ashmore supposed to take care of a church? According to the Bible he is not. The NTCC wanted to make sure they covered that one up.
Anon
Anon, ntcc likes to cover up ashmore's son's adultery;
because ashmore is a ntcc board memeber; so is his son-in-law john difrancesco (lorrie duran di); so is helen ashmore's brother-in-law george jordan (whose wife kathy is helen's sister); and georgie's little brother timothy paul jordan works in the ntcc bs office.
nepotism has its privileges.
favoritism for those who are "in" in the ntcc...
But for former board member mike marshall, it was a different story.
davis made sure everyone knew about him sinning down in the Philippines.
No special treatment for his abandoned wife and her two sons.
davis made sure he ran off mike marshall with that knife - in - the - back - and - twist comment:
"If you [mike] walk out that door, I'm [rodger davis] not coming after you."
Face it, marshall was a threat to davis's choice for an heir to the ntcc throne. Lots of people loved the marshalls who had successfully gone everywhere and done everything for ntcc. That put the target on them. So of course davis leaves 'em rotting in the Philippines and runs 'em off first chance he gets.
Come on, marshalls who have been everywhere and done everything compared to kekel's who have gone nowhere and done nothing?
davis just eliminated the competition by running off marshall. Then davis makes sure to tell the marshall story to discredit mike. Face it, as a former board member marshall was privy to lots of "sensitive" info like the ashmore scandal. So davis had to make sure to discredit him as a credible source.
davis is a shmuck who wants all the power and money to go to kekel.
He doesn't care who he destroys to get what he wants.
Period.
Ange
Ange,
Let's not forget this mysterious boy that Davis said he adopted in the 70's, who Davis supposedly treated wonderful and raised to be a minister, but in the end fled from Davis as fast as he could and was never heard from again-- even though he seemingly stayed a Christian and a minister in another church.
It seems everything Davis touches gets ruined.
Anonymous, I'm not sure I've heard this story before about davis adopting a boy in the 70's. If I had to guess I would speculate that was how they described the relationship between Rick Blumenthal and R.W. Davis; but Deb would know more about that (obviously).
Anon, was this adoption of which you are speaking a legal thing?
Ange
Eliminating The Competition: Sin the ntcc way.
NTCC founder, R.W. Davis taught that at times the NTCC General Board would "vote" on who shold be trained to take over Davis's role of running the NTCC.
I put "vote" in quotes because R.W. Davis also said if anyone on the NTCC Board voted differently then R.W. Davis that person would be [kicked] off the board.
So these Yes Men [board members] write the name of a likely successor on slips of paper that R.W Davis would then put in an open envelope on his bedroom dresser. I guess he wanted his fretful wife to have access to this closed-door board member info; that way she could help him get rid of the competition for their daughter and son-in-law, Tanya and Michael C. Kekel.
Next, rather than training the successor candidate, IMO, ntcc would begin the systematic program of breaking down that individual until he would leave the NTCC.
If the candidate felt called of God to go to a big city and preach, Davis would bark at him: NO! THAT'S NOT GOD'S WILL!!! Davis would then assign him to the exact opposite of his calling and dream and would wait for him to burn out and leave NTCC; or mess up [sin] and get run-off by Davis (like what happened to Mike Marshall as discussed in the previous comments).
I believe everything in NTCC exists for one puprose: To make R.W. Davis [your] god, to lift up R.W. and make him wealthy and powerful.
Davis crafted his cult carefully to achieve his status; and he won't pass on that money and power to anyone but his chosen heir.
I really think Davis hopes to even bypass his son-in-law and daughter, to give everything NTCC to Davis's grandson Grant.
It's my opinio M.C. Kekel has already done more sin The Thunder Rolls than folks like Mike Marshall, and that Davis just keeps M.C. Kekel around with one goal: Let's buy more time to get Grant ready to take over the borg. In R.W. Davis's often said words, "Let's give him [M.C.] a [really] long rope to hang himself with!"
Shocking?
R.W. Davis does this and says this ALL THE TIME:
"LET'S GIVE HIM A LONG ROPE TO HANG HIMSELF WITH!"
God does render to every man according to his work.
And with all the years of Davis impudently boasting about this tactic over the pulpit, well...
Why should anyone be surprised if Davis did the same thing to M.C. Kekel? -- Reducing Kekel to nothing more than a well compensated sperm donor who furnished Davis with the one thing he never had: A malleable heir in Grant.
Besides, just think of the fear factor Davis would gain over others in the NTCC by deposing his own son-in-law, M.C. Kekel. That would give great power to Davis by showing everone else in the NTCC that EVERYONE IS EXPENDABLE.
Davis might even use the pretense of a return to holiness to affect such a coup.
Time will tell.
I don't like thinking this way. But Davis and NTCC have a proven track record of ugliness that boggles the mind. This would just be the final act of a dying megalomaniac / power mongerer like Davis to get what he's always wanted: FULL CONTROL OF NTCC.
And if M.C. Kekel gets caught sinning and is discredited, Davis might even convince Grant to switch his last name to Davis -- perpetuating the Davis Dynasty as R.W. has created it.
Folks, NTCC has nothing to do with helping people see and know the Lord Jesus Christ.
In NTCC Christ is used to get power and money into the Davis Dynasty.
Why be entangled in such a deceitful web?
Christ is real and is love.
Find out for yourself.
Leave the "church behind the fence" and experience the freedom in Christ that He wants all men to know. Taste and see that the Lord is good.
Ange
"Anonymous, I'm not sure I've heard this story before about davis adopting a boy in the 70's."
I remember RW speaking of it. If I'm not mistaken, his name was Carl Sensabaugh.
Vic, that is interesting. Is there anything else you know about Carl S. or what happened?
"Vic, that is interesting. Is there anything else you know about Carl S. or what happened?"
Not much; it all happened some years before I arrived at the BS. RW preached a message once in which he spun the whole experience from his perspective (that pride and power went to the kid's head and caused him to turn from God). I'm skeptical of his perspective these days, so who knows what the real story is. I can't remember where I heard that it was Carl Sensibaugh; RW may have said so himself, but it was sort of common knowledge amongst the students that it was him, and that he was a "charismatic" (read: compromising) preacher someplace in south St. Louis county. Details will have to come from somebody who was around back then.
NTCC Founder R.W. Davis leaves an NTCC PASTOR and FAMILY of SIX (4 KIDS, 2, ADULTS) HOMELESS only 15 MILES from NTCC's EMPTY National Campground
Four kids and two adults running NTCC's church in Mexico, MO are left homeless by the NTCC's founder R.W. Davis!!
Roger Davis knew this family was homeless.
Roger Davis sent this family to run NTCC's church in Mexico, MO, only 15 miles from NTCC's EMPTY National Campground.
R.W. Davis knew this NTCC pastor had a bad back which prevented him from working.
R.W. Davis forbad married women in NTCC from working on a paying job, claiming that was "prostituting that woman."
Yet R.W. Davis DID NOTHING TO HELP THIS HOMELESS NTCC PASTOR AND FAMILY OF SIX who were laboring for NTCC only 15 miles from NTCC's EMPTY campground
with hundreds of empty beds and unused rooms!!!!
I say that is shameful.
Here's what the Bible says about it:
I John3v17
and
I John 4v20
and
Rev21v8
It's pretty simple. If you have something a brother needs, you help him. If you don't love a person you can see, then you can't love God Who you don't see. If you SAY you love but your actions prove you don't love, you are a liar. And all liars end up in the lake of fire.
That is a paraphrased synopsis of what the bible says about
Davis's actions.
His actions prove he is a liar when he tells the Hampton's he loves them...
I didn't write the bible. I just know that's what it says.
And you too can know.
Test everything. You'll know exactly what a liar Davis is if you do test his actions in contrast to his words.
Talk is cheap. And Davis is a talker.
He does not back his words with actions of love.
His actions show that Davis's big words of love and appreciation are just hot-air and smoke-screens to manipulate people into doing what he wants.
Don't take my word for it.
Investigate for yourself and you will see Davis's hypocrisy.
That's how it is "in" the NTCC.
Ange
RW preached a message once in which he spun the whole experience from his perspective (that pride and power went to the kid's head and caused him to turn from God). -- Vic
Vic, That is so sad that even someone raised by RW Davis is not immune to the ntcc lies.
Davis has been abusing the pulpit for so many years to spin things however he wants. Only the internet has leveled the playing field giving RW's many victims a forum to answer his baseless and false accusations.
I hope this Carl shows up and shares his side of the story.
I'm thinking RW's 'spin' about Carl being proud would better describe RW's pride and lack of service to God! (pot kettle black)
Ange
Article comment by: Adam Barrow
It's a little bit funny that the same few have been posting negative things about NTCC for several years, although i am suprised Tracy's husband has not stepped up and posted.
In the end, churches are run by imperfect people, trying to live for God. NTCC is no different.
When I left the church, my pastor cried for two days, so don't tell me they don't care about the members. For those of you posting bad stuff, i suggest you repent. I am not sure God will take too kindly of bashing a church that while may have it's share of problems, DOES HAVE good christian members.
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This is a response to the comment by Adam Barrow.
Barrow states " few have been posting negative things about NTCC for several years, "
I'd like to break down Barrow's statement and discuss it's:
probable origins (the NTCC pulpit),
intended purpose (silence those who ask questions), and
general manner (the well-heeled [sit, beg, roll-over on my command] behavior of a NTCC / Davis-Disciple)
all based on my twenty (20) years of Christian experiences in and out of the NTCC. (New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. [with headquarters in Graham, WA and St. Louis, MO.])
Here goes...
to be continued
Ange
Barrow states " few have been posting "... Has Barrow counted the number of posters? Over fifty (50+) people have responded in a manner showing the cult-nature of NTCC on this Newspaper site alone.
Many more have posted against the NTCC on other websites such as:
New Testament Christian Church, The Real Story [Jeff (Chief) Collins Blog]
New Testament Christian Chruch ... Deborah's Witness [Deb (Blumenthal) Shunk's Blog]
F.A.C.T.net [An Internet Site to help folks recover from Abusive Cults Like NTCC and HOP]
-- N.T.C.C and its splinter group HOP (House Of Prayer) are discussed at length on this site.
ntccXposed.com [A static site with articles written by various authors exposing NTCC false doctrines and cult tactics.]
Thousands of entries on at least three other blogs have existed and been removed from the web by the authors / blog owners.
These sites prove there are way more than three (or "a few") people saying that the NTCC has serious problems in the way it abuses its members and teaches man-made doctrines as gospel.
to be continued
Ange
In the NTCC the NEGATIVE EXPERIENCES OUTWEIGH THE POSITIVE EXPERINCES
Barrow also states "few have been posting negative things about NTCC"--
It's not that people are saying negative things. What is happening is that people are sharing their true stories of what happened to them, how the NTCC treated them.
Those experiences are vastly negative because NTCC abuses its members in MANY ways.
NTCC is DOING NEGATIVE THINGS TO PEOPLE.
Before the existence of the internet people were not able to share their true stories; because the NTCC indoctrinates its members, forbidding them to have any contact with anyone who has left the NTCC. For years NTCC was unaccountable. Now with the internet everyone has an equal voice, a level playing field; and the ugly truths are coming out about the NTCC.
It is NTCC that is "negative".
to be continued
Ange
THE LONG-LASTING DEVASTATING EFFECTS OF THE NTCC:
Barrow also noted "have been posting ... things about NTCC for several years" Right.
People feel so strongly about the prevalent abuse in NTCC that for several years they have been trying to warn others to avoid this abusive group. When you leave a burning building, you warn others so they too can escape the flames. That is what motivates people to post for several years about the abuses in the NTCC.
Also, for many, the negative impact NTCC has on them takes years to recover from. Some do not recover. One account has been shared of a man that felt NTCC never considered him good enough. The poor soul murdered his five-year-old son, pregnant wife, and then shot himself!
The pressures are real and most are needless. NTCC is full of man-made doctrines that are needless burdens that the 'leaders' will never lift a finger to touch themselves, but will happily humiliate others for not meeting these needless burdens.
Vic Johanson's Take on the NTCC Wolves In Sheep's Clothing
to be continued
Ange
LOADED LANGUAGE: A COMMON CULT TACTIC TO ELICIT PROGRAMMED RESPONSES:
On F.A.C.T.net a former NTCC preacher discussed Mark Vrankovich's work entitled
MIND CONTROL TOOL BOX
In this discussion, "ctyankee" highlights eight (8) mind control techniques, one by one. He also shows how the NTCC uses these techniques to alter their members' behavior to fit the cult's needs.
One of these effective cult / mind control tactics is the use of "loaded" language or jargon. It is designed to create a programmed response from the cult member.
Barrow's comments are canned responses that have been issued from the NTCC pulpit to dull the hearing of the members, to give them 'easy' but empty answers for their concerned friends, family, and neighbors.
Friends, family, and neighbors can tell there is something wrong in the "church behind the fence". And they want to help their loved one who is stuck in the NTCC.
So the NTCC 'leaders' have to do damage control and come up with these empty li(n)es that they repeat over and over from the pulpit and lectern to control their members by giving them 'easy' but empty answers for their loved ones' concerned questions.
Other NTCC li(n)es used to control their members:
Those people (who left NTCC) are just bitter.
Those people (who left NTCC) are of the devil.
That man (who left NTCC) just didn't want God.
That man (who left NTCC) was full of pride.
These are cult code-phrases to tell the NTCC member to stop worrying and let the NTCC 'leaders' do all the thinking for them. They are li(n)es designed to instill fear in the member that if he leaves the NTCC, he has left God and is hell-bound. These li(n)es are designed to cause division in the body of Christ and completely separate those who leave NTCC as having left God Himself.
I know. I was in the NTCC for nine years. I know how the cult jargon works and what the "appropriate response" was that is expected from the member.
The NTCC wants those who leave NTCC to be completely cut-off from those who are in NTCC; because the NTCC 'leaders' are afraid that people who wake up and leave NTCC will influence others to see the truth about the hypocrisy, double-standards, and sin in the NTCC's top leadership.
These catch phrases used by the NTCC are used over and over from the pulpit with devastating impact on the members.
It's Cult Tactics 101, very basic, but very effective. The peer pressure and pressure from abusive use of the pulpit is incredibly powerful.
The NTCC, as a cult, is set up to control its members. Try and talk to someone in the NTCC. You will usually get the same canned responses from all of them because they have heard the expected response over, and over, and over again from the pulpit (brainwashing / programming).
That's what I see and recognise in Barrow's canned responses. More NTCC cult-jargon and loaded language.
You can study mind-control techniques and cults and learn for yourself; you will see what a text-book-example-of-a-cult the NTCC is.
How To Spot An Abusive Church
Five Warning Signs Of An Unhealthy Church (or Cult)
to be continued
Ange
"When I left the church, my pastor cried for two days, so don't tell me they don't care about the members. For those of you posting bad stuff, i suggest you repent. I am not sure God will take too kindly of bashing a church that while may have it's share of problems, DOES HAVE good christian members."
Adam, I was a pastor in NTCC, and I know I wasn't a bad guy, so your point is well taken. However, the good nature of some will never outweigh the generally abusive and exploitive tenor of NTCC, which flows down from it's founder and others in the hierarchy. The "good Christian members" of whom you speak are some of the org's primary victims, and most of them end up leaving. Fresh fodder is the only way NTCC survives.
And if it was so great, WHY DID YOU LEAVE?
NTCC - Board - Member - Endorsed Alleged Sexual and Physical Abuse of Childern, Abuse of GIs, and Poor Treatment of Workers Make the NTCC very different from other churches... (6/7)
Barrow also states: "In the end, churches are run by imperfect people, trying to live for God. NTCC is no different."
OVERWHELMING ABUSE IS WHAT MAKES NTCC VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM OTHER CHURCHES!
That's the whole point of the blogs and of this very newspaper article. People need to know that NTCC is different because:
NTCC abuses its members
--pregnant women have been brought to tears, told that they would be judged [condemned] by God for ruining their husband's ministry just because they are pregnant!
--The NTCC Board Members knowingly and willfully left an abusive minister in a position of trust with a NTCC minister's license in good standing despite three written warnings from other NTCC ministers in good standing stating this certain man was SLAPPING OTHER PEOPLES' CHILDREN IN THE FACE!
--The NTCC Board Members EXPECT NTCC women to come clean the homes of the Board Members FOR NO PAY in exchange for their work, using their neighbors' services without wages.
--The NTCC Board Members' Wives have women in the NTCC do the grocery shopping for the Board Members' Wives, again without recompence for service.
--The NTCC Board Members EXPECT NTCC men to come and wash the Board Members' luxury cars, shine the Board Members ($200/pair) shoes, and clean the Board Members' ($325,000++??) motor homes, all without paying the men who do the work.
--The NTCC Board Members have men in the NTCC come and do the yardwork and groundskeeping of the Board Members' manisons and golf-course-like estates, again without paying the men for their labor.
--Soldiers who stay in NTCC Servicemens' Homes have reported being badgered and deprived of sleep to the degree that one man even wrecked his car and could have easily been killed or killed someone else! Soldiers have high demands on their time already, without abusive NTCC 'pastors' making unreasonable demands on them!
--Others have reported sexual abuse by NTCC ministers "in good standing" with the NTCC. But the NTCC top 'leader'ship allowed these abuses to continue, again willfully and knowingly leaving the accused abuser in a position of trust as a NTCC minister!
Many more abuses exist and will come out in other forums as God allows.
These listed here should be enough to show anyone that, yes, churches are run by imperfect people; but
THE NTCC IS VASTLY DIFFERENT, HAVING FAR MORE 'LEADER'SHIP-ENDORSED OR 'LEADER'SHIP-INITIATED ABUSE OVER A VARIED RANGE OF AREAS IN THE MEMBERS' LIVES.
to be continued
Ange
Caring Members, Lousy Leadership: The NTCC Dichotomy (7/7)
Barrow also remarked:
"When I left the church, my pastor cried for two days, so don't tell me they don't care about the members. For those of you posting bad stuff, i suggest you repent. I am not sure God will take too kindly of bashing a church that while may have it's share of problems, DOES HAVE good christian members."
This is an interesting comment. Yes, there are some good people in NTCC. But once they learn the truth of what the NTCC's top leadership is really like, they should leave the NTCC. It seems that Barrow did. How odd that he now wants to condemn others who have left, simply because they share the true story of what the NTCC is really like.
It is sad, in a way, that Barrow is so ready to take up the cult-cause using cult-jargon like "church bashing" while he ignores the truth about the abuse going on in the NTCC. It seems Barrow has only physically left the the church; but his mind is still held captive by this cult's brainwashing.
In a way, I'm glad Adam Barrow has posted his comment. It provides a perfect view of the typical mind-controlled response one can expect from a NTCC / Davis-Disciple.
Hopefully, for the sake of his own soul, Barrow will examine his answer, and actually consider the truth of this response. I know what it's like to be blinded to the trees while in the forest. I pray Barrow will take a walk out of the forest and examine the trees of the NTCC hypocrisy, double standards, and abuse.
No true Christian could in good conscience continue in this group once they learn the truth of what really goes on in the "church behind the fence"!
Ange
I think what's funny is that her mother's race is put as unknown. She proclaimed herself to be Mexian during a conferance I believe. I wasn't there, but my mom told me about it.--Jennifer
And to Jennifer: I was also in that conference when rwd made his daughter stand up and scream to all that she was a mexican.
Everybody was just like what, what is going on? I guess it was just a joke on somebody because they had come to tk and asked her point blank what nationality she was and when rwd found out about this he made a joke about it, I guess telling her that whenever somebody asks her about it she can say anything she wants to say, in other words "not of your business"--blovd
Ange says,
I think rdub was punishing tanya for being too curious about her roots, in other words, it was like rdub was telling tanny: "If you hadn't asked all those questions, you wouldn't be in this embarassing situation; but since you've embarassed verna and I, we are going to embarass you by forcing you to stand up and proclaim your ethnicity!"
Of course, as Jeff says, that's just speculation on my part; but I think I have a very good feel for how it is in the ntcc.
No good will ever come of all those thought-provoking questions you asked, tanya. Now rdub will have to be accountable to all the folks he told to get vasectomies because in his words, "children hinder the work of the Lawd" [borg]
So tanny was 'spanked' in front of the congregation for her insubordinate questioning of her adoptive parent.
Just my opinion
Angela
Angela, Your link to The Thunder Rolls is expired. Do you mean you think kekel is guilty of steppin' out on his wife? Isn't that the story in that song? The Thunder Rolls
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