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Read all about it here and here (just more subtle about it now, along with using someone else's words, to add credibility and support for another NTCC 'policy').
And on 14 April 2010 this was posted: "I have heard so many express, not that the ministry of God’s word was their delight, but that they “didn’t have time for their kids” because of the ministry. Whatever happened to loving the work of God? Enjoying what you do? The JOY of believing? To say that something as insignificant as a policy regarding sports, or the necessary duties of being even a “mildly dedicated” Christian, (not to mention being a “full-time” minister) hindered “time with the family” or even “damaged” the fragile psyche, is very immature. Besides, if you are called of God, why would you want to blame anything on His will for your life? And why blame it on your Pastor, when you are the one that said “God is sending me?”
Also from 14 April 2010: "There has been a long standing “no-children” policy for ministers who Pastor Servicemen’t homes in NTCC. This policy has its roots in mostly, the impact the work has upon the children. That was Pastor’s motive for instituting the policy. Due to the demands of such work, it would be hard for anyone in SW to have time for their kids, as there is plenty more time for them, when you are in civilian church work. His decision also had to do with the children being around the GI’s to an unhealthy extent."
Read just one account from NTCC's anti-family past (over 32 years ago) directly below.
...Some things never change,
Gregory
While the commentary may be true, the sword cuts both ways. I would(and have for the last 8 years or so) avoid any direction or influence from "them". Why can't he (kekel) see that in many ways he and his fellow preachers have prevent many in their own sphere of influence from growing and excelling in their lives? Just saying. signed, Polaris
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ReplyDeleteI have been inviting the sword to cut our way for a few years now. No one bites. So, either there is nothing bad to report about our testimony, or they are smarter than they present themselves online.
Gregory
P.S. I also understand the point you are making...that what NTCC posts as applying to us, applies to them.
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Polaris said:
ReplyDelete"the sword cuts both ways"
Don and Ange said:
It cuts both ways for everybody except a few choice individuals that are above reproof. If it truly cut both ways than there would be one standard, God's word, and no need for policies and doctrines that go beyond the written word. These policies and doctrines were created to prevent people from growing and excelling and to set parameters in peoples lives so they can be controlled. Those that allow this influence to take root in their lives are controlled until they realize how messed up things are.
Truth becomes a lie when it is twisted, exaggerated and applied dogmatically to others. The best way to share the truth is to live it, but we do not see this in the ntcc. Do as I say, not as I do. When any impropriety is brought to the attention of a hypocrite they will lash out in defense of their hypocrisy. They then try to change the subject and divert attention away from their hypocrisy by falsely accusing those that stand for what is right.
Don and Ange
Maybe Colin Powell said it or not, but many of the metaphysical sources for RWD's classes would say things like that in effect to not allow yourself to be influenced by negative people. You have no doubt read illustrations about how people succeeded in the face of negativity, seeming disabilities, and later were successful. But how can you successful if you are in spiritual bondage, your hands are tied and what you are receiving from leadership is negative? Here is a good definition of success -
ReplyDelete"Success: To laugh often and much, to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children, to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends, to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others, to leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded!" ~Ralph Waldo Emerson
According to RWE's definition...We are a success, and have been for quite some time.
ReplyDeleteThanks Anonymous,
Deborah and Gregory
I've given consideration to the notion that it is not good to have children in a serviceman's work.
ReplyDeleteFirst thing is that I'm no longer an advocate of these serviceman's home works anyway. Pop may have originally had some good intentions but the way I see it, RWD didn't. The serviceman's home works evolved into no more than a scheme to gain control of young, impressionable people, all who had a steady income and all who were taught to follow orders. Individual pastors may have had good intentions (initially) but RWD didn't and as long as you were a part of the NTCC, (regardless of your intentions) knowingly or unknowingly, you were part of RWDs scheme. His scheme was to build an army of brainwashed drones needed to build his real-estate empire while making him a millionaire.
So when you factor in the notion that having kids was non productive, yes it was but only as it pertained to RWD's agenda. I lived in a serviceman's home with a kid. Andy Taylor. Even though it wasn't a great situation for the little fellow, that wasn't RWD's concern. RWD could care less about someone's child. What RWD did care about was the possibility of any legal liability associated with a child living in a serviceman's home.
If there was one way the NTCC could be taken down, it would be the result of a child molestation or abuse case and RWD knew it. RWD saw children as a liability, not an asset and certainly not a blessing. Not only that but ministers of civilian works have also been encouraged not to have children. I know of one right now who left the NTCC not long ago and he an his wife are finally trying to have kids.
RWD is a manipulator and anything or anybody to include kids, that could possibly hinder the expansion of his money making, real-estate empire, RDUB didn't want around. It wasn't about holiness all along because if it was, RDUB would have taken a totally different approach not only with his daughter and son-in-law but his grandson for sure.
Jeff
I'll take RWE's word over RWD's any day!
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of the sword cutting both ways, NTCC members might take the first line of the commentary posted on Mike's blog to heart:
ReplyDelete"The less you associate with some people, the more your life will improve."
I and many others can testify that cutting ties with the people responsible for the travesty known as NTCC will bring immeasurable improvement in one's life.
Is there ANY original work on that blog? Sheesh. Can't come up with something to say on his own, so he takes from others.
ReplyDeleteNow all that is on kekel's blog is quoted material with a few God bless you sir comments. He used to use it as a platform to slander Xers to include the Shunks but every time he did so he would get his butt handed to him.
ReplyDeleteNow the ntcc is in severe damage control mode and they realize that people are not going along with it any more. Kekel's blog is dead, people are leaving left and right and along with them a piece of history that confirms everything we've been talking about.